Do you believe in Aliens? (Page 4)

hellbhoy
hellbhoy: COX'S ORANGE PIPPIN APPLE is all I have to say SITS
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

That's no less irrational than anything else you say.

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hellbhoy
hellbhoy: SITS being agnostic as you are and all that,is it so difficult for you to just choose yes or no ? or do you have to pick the agnostic reply always ? I'm not sure if it does or does not because I can't choose unless I'm sure first.

Is there a chance of life on another planet ! YES and why because we exist and if you wanna be agnostic about it are we actually alive ?.If life is on earth then there's a good flipping chance in all the universe there is some other on a planet completely different to life on earth don't ya think.

The chances of one planet in the universe sustaining is as some scientists put it are infinite zero's but here we are !
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

hellbhoy says:
"SITS being agnostic as you are and all that,is it so difficult for you to just choose yes or no ? or do you have to pick the agnostic reply always ?"

Yes, I do pick the agnostic view always. It's the only rational point of view. I'd be lying if I said otherwise.

hellbhoy says:
"Is there a chance of life on another planet ! YES"

I agree.

hellbhoy says:
"... and why because we exist"

But I don't agree with that reasoning. I agree that it's possible because it hasn't been proven otherwise. That we exist doesn't prove life elsewhere exists.

hellbhoy says:
"and if you wanna be agnostic about it are we actually alive ?."

Yes. I require evidence for my beliefs. I have ample evidence that I'm alive.

hellbhoy says:
"If life is on earth then there's a good flipping chance in all the universe there is some other on a planet completely different to life on earth don't ya think."

Not necessarily. (see above)

hellbhoy says:
"The chances of one planet in the universe sustaining is as some scientists put it are infinite zero's but here we are !"

Wrong. Because we have only the evidence of life here on Earth, but no evidence of it elsewhere, there is no reasonable way to quantify what the chances would be of that.

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hellbhoy
hellbhoy: The flipping agnostic answer .... Wrong. Because we have only the evidence of life here on Earth, but no evidence of it elsewhere, there is no reasonable way to quantify what the chances would be of that.
Yes I know that SITS but scientists still say the chances of life on earth were as astronomical as finding life on another planet.Don't ask for links dude as it was something I remembered of a well respected source.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: hellbhoy:
"... but scientists still say the chances of life on earth were as astronomical as finding life on another planet."

No, they don't say that, and for the same reasons. All we know of is our life here, so we have no way to gauge the PROBABILITY of that.

hellbhoy:
"Don't ask for links dude as it was something I remembered of a well respected source."

Dude, can you please provide links for that? Else readers would just assume it's something you pulled out of your ass and threw into the thread.

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Azimuth_Predator
Azimuth_Predator: Dunno about you guys but i think that LiptonCambell needs to stick to other forums and stay away from Science.
We need progressive thinkers and he is far away from that. Light years i would say.
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hellbhoy
hellbhoy: SITS you provide evidence you have intellect without google mate.

One Bar that's a classic and pissing myself here.

SITS how the feck would you know what scientists say coz your agnostic and anything theoretical gets shoved down a hill with plastic explosives dude.

I honestly remember some NOBEL winner explaining if there is no life anywhere else then inevitably life should not exist on earth so we should assume if it happened on earth then it is well possible there is life elsewhere even if there is no evidence because of various parameters ie some planet billions of light years away well ahead of ours in development but would not know we exist and when they do have we blown the world up yet.Is that enough of what I remember SITS ?.
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Azimuth_Predator
Azimuth_Predator: Ok this is where i come in between hellboy and Sits.

I agree with Hellboy about the flipping good chances.
I think Sits is forgetting about how small we are.
We should not act like we are the center of the universe. Cause simply we are not. And there is a way to estimate the possibilities.(the are freaking large lol)
If you are thinking how its simple. We should stop fighting and come to some conclusions instead of saying who is more right and who is more wrong.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Azimuth_Predator says:
"Dunno about you guys but i think that LiptonCambell needs to stick to other forums and stay away from Science. We need progressive thinkers and he is far away from that. Light years i would say."

** falls down laughing **

Azimuth_Predator says:
"I think Sits is forgetting about how small we are."

Nope. We're very small. The universe is very big.

Azimuth_Predator says:
"We should not act like we are the center of the universe."

No one's doing that. Certainly I'm not.

Azimuth_Predator says:
"And there is a way to estimate the possibilities."

Okay. If that's true, then obviously scientists have quantified it and substantiated that hypothesis with good scientific research. Provide that information, please. If it exists, it should be simple for you to find.

Azimuth_Predator says:
"We should stop fighting and come to some conclusions instead of saying who is more right and who is more wrong."

This from the guy who resorts to calling people names, etc. when they disagree with him.



hellbhoy says:
"SITS how the feck would you know what scientists say coz your agnostic and anything theoretical gets shoved down a hill with plastic explosives dude."

Are you confusing "theological" and "theoretical" again? I have no idea what that statement is supposed to mean.

hellbhoy says:
"I honestly remember some NOBEL winner explaining if there is no life anywhere else then inevitably life should not exist on earth so we should assume if it happened on earth then it is well possible there is life elsewhere even if there is no evidence because of various parameters ie some planet billions of light years away well ahead of ours in development but would not know we exist and when they do have we blown the world up yet.Is that enough of what I remember SITS ?."

How would I know what you remember or what you don't? But just saying you "remember" something doesn't make for much of a substitute for a credible reference, does it?

If you actually "remember" that, I suggest you look at a list of Nobel laureates ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates

... find your Nobel guy, and then look up what he said.

Otherwise readers might assume that "fact" is just something you pulled out of your ass and threw up here in this thread to see if it would stick.

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Azimuth_Predator
Azimuth_Predator: LOL

The copy paste again. And the wiki as well.

Classic SITS
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Azimuth_Predator
Azimuth_Predator: Oh i forgot to say this.

SITS just wait for the info. We have to be patient man.
Its a research so just wait for it. And as i said a few posts earlier.
You might be dead when they find something. I might die too. We have to be patient and let our grandchildren have the honor to become witnesses.
I might have that honor though cause i am 30 years younger. And it will take that long to reach the Pegasus region lol.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

Azimuth_Predator first says:
"And there is a way to estimate the possibilities."

Azimuth_Predator then says:
"Its a research so just wait for it."

Make up your mind. Is there a way to quantify the possibilities of extra-terrestrial life, or not?

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Azimuth_Predator
Azimuth_Predator: According to what you are saying(i am not copy pasting)

You are not interested. You just want proof.
Correct?

If i start with how many Stars we have in the milky way galaxy only lol
And then make an average for planets orbiting those stars.
Planemos are not included. Cause chances are slim for life there. You "might" get bacteria though.
Anyway...You have a large number right?
So what are the possibilities of planets being in the safe zone? Or else goldilocks zone in order for life to exist?
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

Azimuth_Predator says:
"You just want proof."

Any time anyone posts anything I know to be incorrect, or I have my doubts about, I ask for proof, a credible reference. You seem to consider that an unreasonable request. That attitude speaks volumes ...

I prefer credibility, while you prefer that everyone just accept whatever you throw out there without reason.

I asked:
"Is there a way to quantify the possibilities of extra-terrestrial life, or not?"

Apparently, your answer to that was:
"If i start with how many Stars we have in the milky way galaxy only ..." etc. etc.

If that's the case, if all of that is a way to quantify the possibilities of extra-terrestrial life, then what is the quantity?

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Aura
Aura: Still haven't seen any 'proof' that there is NO life in other solar systems. There might or might not be any in ours (researches seem to be still on the fence about the moon Europa) but lets assume not for a second, where is all this proof and scientific fact that there is no life elsewhere? We can only say there is no radio or television that we can detect. Yes. that would be proof of life, but it's absence is no proof of absence of life. Far as I know we've only just learned to calculate how many planets a star has by it's wobble. So please, do copy paste the links of proof and facts that there is no life in other solar systems.
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hellbhoy
hellbhoy: Classic SITS eh provide proof,yeh I can remember correctly from years ago from a Nobel prize winner giving a speech on TV ? come ya numpty.Firstly I don't know which year he won it his name or what he looked like and don't have your convenience of google then copy n paste.

I didn't pull it out my ass and remember it was possibly a TV show called "the sky at night" with Patrick Moore.This stuck with me as it intrigued me at the possibility of life on another planet and the guy said it in such a way it stuck in my mind.

He said if you think we are the only planet with life in the universe you'd be an idiot and sort of said they would not need to have communicative intelligence like us.Which is obviously what SITS is implying in his answers.Intelligent lifeforms do not need binary as their basic component in communication was also another thing he said.The fact that we are here must be the presumption that life could happen anywhere under infinite possibilities.Which rules out DNA as the only component to life.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

hellbhoy says:
"Classic SITS eh provide proof,yeh I can remember correctly from years ago from a Nobel prize winner giving a speech on TV ? come ya numpty.Firstly I don't know which year he won it his name or what he looked like and don't have your convenience of google then copy n paste."

So ...

We're supposed to trust your memory that this Nobel prize winner gave a speech, and specified that...

"some NOBEL winner explaining if there is no life anywhere else then inevitably life should not exist on earth so we should assume if it happened on earth then it is well possible there is life elsewhere even if there is no evidence because of various parameters ie some planet billions of light years away well ahead of ours in development but would not know we exist and when they do have we blown the world up yet."

... but even when provided a list of Nobel laureates, you use as your excuse to refrain from providing that Nobel winner's name, etc. that you can't remember who, what, etc.

hellbhoy says:
"He said if you think we are the only planet with life in the universe you'd be an idiot and sort of said they would not need to have communicative intelligence like us.Which is obviously what SITS is implying in his answers."

I'm implying nothing of the sort. Nowhere have I mentioned anything pertaining to communication.

hellbhoy says:
"Intelligent lifeforms do not need binary as their basic component in communication was also another thing he said.The fact that we are here must be the presumption that life could happen anywhere under infinite possibilities.Which rules out DNA as the only component to life."

Again, it's curious that you can remember so many of the details of what this person said, but can't pluck his name out of a relatively short list of Nobel winners. Obviously, that person won't be in the categories of chemistry, medicine, literature, peace or economics. That leaves only physics. And presumably, you saw this within the last ... oh ... let's say twenty years. That leaves a list of 52 Nobel winners in Physics in the last twenty years.

You can't find the mystery Nobel winner in that short list, can't really remember where you saw it, but amazingly, you can remember all kinds of details about just what was said.

Yeah ... right ...

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Aura
Aura: I can not claim to know what or who he is talking about, but I too have a problem with names, but can remember conversations or content of books, television, movies whatever with amazing accuracy. Just not who said it. This holds true for real people and fictional characters. Hell I remember to this day the first conversation I ever had with my husband but it took me a month of asking until I remembered his name. So yes, that does happen.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

Of course it happens. But if I were to ligitimately make that claim, I'd look through that list and find the guy.

If that's the case, and he's not willing to do the legwork to back up his claim, why should anyone take him seriously?

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hellbhoy
hellbhoy: CaffeinatedZen SITS always has problems with answers that do not contain proof or a well though out theory as he is agnostic and all that.He can't even accept that at some point some professor made a speech I'll always remember about the possibility of life elsewhere without taking a leap of faith that it was real.He has many rebukes on a lot of people just for the sake of making his sad life more interesting.On account he has rebuked more than 90% of people on here with supply proof from the web or google.It's just plain common sense that life could occur anywhere any any given point of the conditions are right but he wants me to go and find it first just like that.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

hellbhoy says:
"CaffeinatedZen SITS always has problems with answers that do not contain proof or a well though out theory as he is agnostic and all that."

You're fixated on my stance as a "so-called" agnostic. My grilling of you, and others, has to do with the simple fact that I prefer "facts" that are actually factual.

hellbhoy says:
"He can't even accept that at some point some professor made a speech I'll always remember about the possibility of life elsewhere without taking a leap of faith that it was real.

Why should I, or anyone else, take your words on face value when they are so often so inaccurate? By the same token, if you wish that everyone else would give you the total faith and believability you say is due you, you should be willing to do the same. Have you ever disagreed with someone in a Wireclub Forum? Of course. So why do you deserve total, unquestioned belief without totally, unquestioningly believing everyone else?

hellbhoy says:
"He has many rebukes on a lot of people just for the sake of making his sad life more interesting."

Well, now you're taking this personal, and striking out in petulance ... not that I really care, but it's not the way to make a convincing argument. Why is my participation in this Forum a measure of my "sad life" when yours isn't?

hellbhoy says:
"On account he has rebuked more than 90% of people on here with supply proof from the web or google."

I'm not sure about the percentage, but with a thread titled "Do you believe in Aliens?," placed in the Science Forum, is going to attract a lot of people that ... well ... believe in Aliens.

hellbhoy says:
"It's just plain common sense that life could occur anywhere any any given point of the conditions are right but he wants me to go and find it first just like that."

As you've repeatedly demonstrated, you wouldn't know common sense if it shit in your shoe. I only ask that if you make a far-fetched claim, you be willing to back it up with something substantial. Why is that so unreasonable?

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hellbhoy
hellbhoy: Well SITS did I piss you off slightly and enough to shit in my shoe ?.

You ask for proof on my posting "It's just plain common sense that life could occur anywhere any any given point of the conditions are right" ?.And you say I have no common sense.

Alien life form ! an organism living on another planet intelligent or not.The fact you ask for proof of is idiotic and the fact you will not concede to the IDEA it could exist is daft.If there was life on another planet that was a basic simple life form IS A FACT there must or could be and not the case there is not.

So my answer must be YES I believe there is because there is life on earth that there is in all possibility that there another life form in the universe regardless of proof of.And does not need to be necessarily be life as we know on earth.

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