Can Science Exist without Evolution? (Page 4)

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oh_good_laughs: You had a pretty good definition of theory,

"a theory based on peer reviewed science, both observational and mathematical. It is self correcting, so [ideas] are modified as new observations are added to the evidence."

What am i missing?
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: Ideas can be good, bad or indifferent. Any idea that does not stand up to peer review or scientific scrutiny is discarded.

A theory as used in science is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning. This is why creationists refuse to have their 'theories' be subject to peer review.

Please lets not turn this in to a battle of semantics.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: once again. what is your definition of a scientific theory?
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: The big bang theory = scientific theory

the theory of gravity = scientific theory

evolution = scientific theory

the heliocentric theory = scientific theory

the idea of creationism = not a scientific theory
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Theory, in common context, means scientific idea. You may build the word "idea" up as much as you like, but it doesn't change the word.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: and so the semantic argument begins....
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Juba_The_Sniper: what is your definition of a scientific theory?

why do you refuse to answer this question?
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Juba, you left out some theories eh?

The Blank Slate Theory - Scientific Theory

The Phlogiston Theory - Scientific Theory

The Expanding Earth Theory - Scientific Theory

The Spontaneous Generation Theory - Scientific Theory
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: Most of those are obsolete now.

Just like creationism.
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: A Theory is an idea made by certain groups of people. Is this better?
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oh_good_laughs: Obsolete? These Scientific Theories were all proven wrong. How is that possible for a Scientific Theory?, because it IS an IDEA of course.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: I think anything would be an improvement on your total lack of scientific awareness.

Try 'SCIENTIFIC THEORY'
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Nice try Juba. It's clear as day, Theories are very subject to being wrong, being they ARE, an idea.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: From your last comment it is ridiculously obvious that you still DO NOT understand what a scientific theory is.

We both, know why this is. Because it is contrary to your religious beliefs.
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Juba, i think we've defined it pretty well the last couple of pages.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: you seem to think think that in science once you have a theory, and it's proven, it becomes a law. That is not true. Scientific theories are improved upon. This is why creationism isnt a scientific theory.

The idea of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess. It's been tested. Observations are supported by it and tested.

A scientific theory is not just an idea.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: I still want to hear your definition of what a scientific theory actually is.

Until you know this, you are ill-equipped to discuss evolution or the 'big bang'
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Okay, Juba. I know Scientific Theories have a lot of time and work in them. So i will go as far to say.. A long thought out idea.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: you're still way off!
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: A Scientific Theory = a long, thought-out, possible sweat and tears included, idea made by a certain group of people.

What am i missing?, How is this not a definition?
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Ah Juba, you just want me to polish up the word 'idea' a little more. Pfft, a waste of typing that would be.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: Are you for real?

try visiting your local science museum.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: it is really embarrassing that you refuse to understand matters of science. Also frightening that 40% of Americans think the same way you do.
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Juba_The_Sniper
Juba_The_Sniper: when discussing matters of science you need to actually know what is meant by 'scientific theory'
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: haha Juba, funny guy. Are you arguing over .. an idea?
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