Evolution in a different light XFixYourBrainX: Start at 1:00 minute of the video. When the unidentified being talks about evolution, they are not talking about the explained version of our human theory of evolution. They are talking about our human species rising up to a new level of Evolutionized Civilized Civilization.  djdan2: LOL!! why is it Aliens always speak English? Out of all the languages they could have learnt they always choose to learn English.  MrSteveA67: Why do we only listen to the transmissions in English? The rest sound like either French or cosmic background noise! ... I'm partially joking, and I know even if I saw something like a conventional UFO with green people walking out of it, I'd be highly suspicious of a hoax, but still it would make sense that any form of reception we'd recognize would have to be in some recognizable form and if the language was acquired by detecting radio transmissions from Earth, I can assume English would be one of the first and strongest emissions. P.S. I do think there's probably alien life 'out there' somewhere though a good question would be if we'd even recognize it. I can imagine it's possible that even something like a neutron star could potentially develop an intelligence via. its own internal electromagnetic field or who knows if some form of life couldn't exist that uses Neutrinos to communicate over eons of time and across a galaxy etc. Something that makes SETI not too likely to pick up radio signals unless they're someone intentionally transmitted to us is that it appears the most efficient forms of communication would be highly compressed and appear much like background noise unless we knew how to decode the signal (it seems unlikely we'd be able to derive a coherent decoding system for a very efficiently compressed signal). On the other hand simply detecting an unusually strong source of emissions could be indicative of some form of transmission, even if it simply appeared as 'white noise'. My guess is that if we're to realistically communicate with an advanced alien civilization it's simply because they decided to say hello (but of course that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to listen and/or keep an eye open). MrSteveA67: Cool. Yes, I'm sure we've got some similar views. I admit tending to post things that are 'contrarian' views because I've been interested for quite a while in exploring things a bit outside the norm and so that can make me seem a bit argumentative or 'out there', but that's ok. I'm mostly interested in 'pushing the envelope' and see where it heads. It's been quite a ride so far and many times putting together one thing ends up opening up lots of new questions and I'm certain the coming decades will have some surprises in store. I appreciate the chats and have got to commend you for sticking in there because I know it can be a challenge discussing some of these ideas. So congrats on the persistence. Have fun MrSteveA67: As a sidenote, I think there are actually good reasons why an advanced civilization could find non-intervention a good long-term gameplan. There's actually a creative benefit to having systems evolve in relatively free and independent ways. If an advanced civilization exhanged information with us, it could give us a shorter term boost but would also bias us toward the same line of technological developments, which gives less benefit to both parties in the long run. It's a tradeoff, but imagine of cultures around the world on Earth had been homogenized hundreds of years ago and all Hollywood had to work with for a theme was the Wild West. Eventually I think cultures around the world will rather unavoidably become quite homogenous, but it would be a shame to have this occur as something where isolated cultures are simply 'plowed over'. People think of endangered species when it comes to animals but tend to ignore that highly centralized and controlling social/government structures do the equivalent when it comes to cultural views. I assume this would be something a successful and advanced civilization would recognize and that would make intervention less appealing and tend to bias things toward passive observation at least until we reached a point at which mutual efforts could be beneficial. djdan2: I'm open minded but theres absolutly no way life could develope in a big ball of nuclear fusion! MrSteveA67: A neutron star is a "dead" star and no longer supporting active fusion and so it would have some structure (probably close to a very dense crystalline structure). Electromagnetic fields circulating within it could allow for computations to occur along the lines of fluid/liquid computation and I'm certain with the mass of a star behind it, it would at least potentially be capable of computing things a bit beyond what a little slice of silicon could do Yes, I admit it would be surprising ... but it doesn't seem impossible to me. Koko_Krunch: Google 'Southern Television broadcast interruption hoax' I do so enjoy bursting bubbles! 'The Southern Television broadcast interruption hoax was a broadcast interruption through the Hannington transmitter of the Independent Broadcasting Authority in the United Kingdom at 5:10 PM on 26 November 1977. The transmission itself claimed to be from an extraterrestrial being.' MYTH BUSTED!  LiptonCambell: >>>P.S. I do think there's probably alien life 'out there' somewhere though a good question would be if we'd even recognize it. I can imagine it's possible that even something like a neutron star could potentially develop an intelligence via. its own internal electromagnetic field or who knows if some form of life couldn't exist that uses Neutrinos to communicate over eons of time and across a galaxy etc. My favorite kind of bizarre alien life i've heard about comes from the game "Sid Miers Alpha Centauri" - where the world is covered, rather than trees, with a thick fungus type thing- as you build cities and armies, and remove this fungus, the story explains that the fungus isn't a plant, but rather, an intelligent lifeform that was using the fungus the same way we use nerve endings. Again, nothing more than mental m&~wx#%~%xwx, but I liked it far more and found it far more what I'd expect out of an alien race than a being that looks nearly but not quite like us. That idea exists solely by unimaginative people who have no idea how few species on our own planet that resemble us. MrSteveA67: When you think about it, even human technology now if seen just a couple hundred years ago would be almost unrecognizable as something of human creation. Imagine driving a limousine through a Wild West town, or taking a cell phone back hundreds of years. Now consider this - that's technology developed by a single species on the same planet and only 'displaced' by a few hundred years of evolution. If we're to consider what might evolve on a completely different planet, maybe not even sharing the same form of biology (assuming there was something even resembling our biology) and on top of that likely having millions of years of evolutionary divergence, it seems practically a wild shot in the dark that we'd actually recognize such forms of alien life. I've also enjoyed reading a lot of sci-fi when I was younger. The themes are quite creative and half the stuff is based upon real physics. Look at some of the technology described in Star Trek and then see how much of that has become reality. In some ways a cell phone nowadays does more than a tricorder and we've got MRI scanners now that can do a lot of what was purely sci-fi in the past. MrSteveA67: ... yep, well there's still hope though. At a minimum, we can do virtual reality that could fake it rather "realistically" (assuming we knew what realistic was!) MrSteveA67: No need to worry there. Something that might be worth considering is the question of what determines the properties of (a) space? Consider this - if teleportation was possible, what forms of information and interaction with (a) space would need to be available to support the possibility of a controllable and verifiable teleportation of an object? Notice that if a coherent cause and effect chain is maintained, there are many things that would appear necessary to allow this. For example, if we tried to navigate by objects and properties defined by light speed events, then any form of faster than light motion would appear to potentially leave all that information behind and in a sense, the manner of motion in any space is determined by the properties used to observe and interact with it. Working with a different set of properties and information gives a different space with different properties. If we had any possible space to work with, what would be the 'best' one around? There's a question that might be worth putting some consideration into. A lot of recent scientific developments seem to be incremental improvements and lie along whatever 'next' development happens along. If there was a long term target, what would appear to be an ideal subject for science to pursue? LiptonCambell: >>>or taking a cell phone back hundreds of years. Huh? Without satellites? And the only phone in the world? Who would be amazed by that?  StuckInTheSixties: cough cough ... "cell phone," not "sat phone" ... ... not that it matters. If there was only one, it would be some strange object ... well, the little electronic pictures would be interesting, I suppose ... | Science Chat Room 4 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
