NASA says it Will colonize the Moon by 2024 (Page 5)
Corwin: The Russians "tried" to build a heavy-lift rocket to compete with the Saturn V, but it exploded on the launch-pad killing off almost 200 of their best engineers and Cosmodrome staff (who flocked around the rocket when it failed to launch, to find out what went wrong, just before it exploded).
That pretty much put an end to the Soviet's bid on the race to the Moon... but the rest of the word didn't learn about that until decades later. The Russians didn't broadcast their failures on live television for the world to see like the Americans did.
kittybobo34: Wow, thanks Corwin, what was interesting. I hadn't heard about the launch pad explosion in Russia.
iqoverlord: Corwin All I will say is RD-180 and RD-181 are the current model engines we depend on right now. If we had built the best during the first space race you would think we would have the rights and be the manufacturer of those two engines. Do you want to guess who does? You are right about Rocketdyne making the RS-25 for the shuttle but it was copied from the NK-33. Russians developed pre-burn technology which revolutionized the liquid rocket technology. So like Edison's light bulb and Marconi's radio believe what you want. I will just campare Joseph Swan and Nikola Tesla to being like Russia. Someone else is given credit for their accomplishments.
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Corwin: Well... Robert Goddard invented the damn thing... Werner Von Braun took it to new heights...
... when WWI was ending everybody grabbed up what they could.
America got Von Braun and the best of his crew... the Russians got whomever was left over, and a few V-2 rockets laying around to dissect.
But when you really think about it, there are no "Russian" rockets... there are no "German" rockets... rocket-science began in America with Robert Goddard, and America WON that race to the Moon.
Rocket-Science is American in origin... everything else is just copying his design.
kittybobo34: Good point iq, The Chinese have a much more pragmatic approach to space, they are in for the long haul, and they have money to burn.
Wiki disagrees ...and history shows it was a Russian who first published the theory of the workings of a rocket and another who published the theory of space flight and exploration.
...built a wall to keep something in or to keep something out...
Corwin: I think what iqoverlord is referring to is that technically, it was the Chinese who first invented the "rocket" over 800 years ago... solid propellant rockets, and fireworks.
The rocketry I was referring to is the liquid propellant rockets developed in the 20th century. You can't put a man on the Moon with solid propellant rockets.
And yes, Russian school teacher Konstantin Tsiolkovsky published a book discussing the "concept" of liquid propellant rockets in 1903, but never put any of those ideas to practical use.
It's rumored that Peruvian inventor Paulet built a working liquid propellant rocket that predates Goddard's work by a few decades, but this was never confirmed.
They had rockets in the Napoleonic wars and before.
The Russian invented the internal combustion chamber and the vents for the flames.
I don't think this interest in rockets has anything to do with science or engineering but is rooted in banking.
If the people say 2+2=5 then so be it! I'll take five!! It called an American Economy. And we know it is all fake.
kittybobo34: My biggest gripe about Obama, when we needed shovel ready projects to spend money, to stimulate the economy, he kills the NASA budget.
stevenchiverton: budgets hm and all the billions in missing nazi gold sneaked into the usa went on black projects and cause of that they have lots we dont all know about
DodgeCityKid: Hogwash!...Maybe an Ant colony, but thats only if they put a little oxygen rich dome for them to live in.
Corwin: Of course we're talking about an Ant colony.
NASA is working right now on training the ants to mine Helium-3 to fuel future Fusion power-plants. The little dome is the easy part. Making tiny little space-suits that give the ants proper freedom of movement while mining for Helium-3 is turning out to be more problematic.
Corwin: Sure, I'd love to be in charge.
But you can't do much with a mere billion dollars... and I'd probably just blow it all on vodka and gummy bears.