Do you think the consipracy nuts will shut up now? (Page 2)
slasian: Can different birds of feather fly together? It depends on the sight strength of the on looker. Personally, I prefer if NASA was telling the truth about Apollo for it is one huge leap for all mankind. But, the conspiracy theory has got some significant points to doubt our best space adventure’s ‘tale’.
The time was the pike of the armament race in the cold war. The waste and the east were fighting a mortal combat and will it not be a desperate time for USA to do any thing? How could a flag in a space where every thing is nothing but void flap and flap? How could an astronaut thrust a bar in one shot in a place were the gravity is weak enough even not able to pull a single water drop? And how come the present technology turn to be not fit enough to land on the moon while the past (IT WAS ANCIENT COMPARED TO NOW) was potent?
The right answer would be
A; don’t bother your self and just accept what you are told by the big guys
B; every thing is possible in Hollywood wonder land
C; this shit is all a conspiracy theory
I really really wish that the answer would be C yet; every legend to be a history has to be flawlessly proved if not, it will only be a legend- a sweet bedtime story for the innocent heart.
StuckInTheSixties: Actually, Johnnie boy, I'd like to see pictures of you having a massive shuddering orgasm as the aliens "gang-probe" you anally.
solus1: WTF? You two are acting like rude little boys.
"gang probe" - come on, that is just wrong. Reference to the R word there?
Certainly looks like it.
ffs, can anyone comment on here without it going downhill in a massive landslide.
ThOr - your original posting was interesting, it was good to see a decent SCIENCE post.
Outbackjack: One of the things that Conspiracy Theorists have pointed out is that the original tapes of the moon landing were erased.
NASA claimed that they had a shortage of tapes in the 60s and 70s and reused tapes.
According to Saturdays West Australian newspaper there were copies!!!!!
Apparently they had been in storage at Curtin University in Perth Australia.
There was an interview with these professors who dug them out.
Now in my opinion with Utube and other forms of internet media it would have been easy to put them online and put this whole sorry tale to bed,one way or another.
They just handed them straight back to NASA.
They didnt comment at all about the tapes.
This will only add fuel to the fire of the conspiracy theorists.
StuckInTheSixties: Okay. That terminology was rather indelicate of me, and for that I apologize.
Just couldn't help myself at making a little fun of Johnny. I'll refrain now.
As for the erasures of the original tapes, some were erased, most were not. All were preserved in other mediums.
john1576: 'The Tapes'. The recieving stations were in California, Australia, Spain, and Guam. Guy's that is a lot of Station Tapes Nasa was dealing with. Apollo was also being shadowed by a Soviet Space Craft. Most folks still are not sure just what the Soviets sent to join Apollo on the Moon. We do know they cannot account for one of their Giant Lift Rockets. So let your imagination roam.
FogofWar: They have a retro-reflector on the Moon. The Apollo 15 crew left it there...when a laser beam hits it, it returns the beam to Earth. There has been proof that we were there since the day it happened, when the Soviet Union listened in on the radio communications, and verified they landed on the Moon as well....yet the conspiracy still exists....just feed on it; these people are gullable and nuts. I bet you could convince them that, "while the Apollo missions were faked, the Nazi's landed on the Moon, and set up a base there, where they are still working to this day"....see how many tin foil hats you can make people wear!! ha ha
FogofWar: "But going back to the "dorks" who say it didn't happen, how come, during an interview once, one of these people were interviewing Neil Armstrong. When he asked him if he would swear on the Bible that he walked on the moon, he ignored the question and ended the interview"
Same reason he laughed and called Bill Kaising a retard when he claimed the first Apollo failure was a coverup, and that Armstrong was in on killing them....He doesn't care what a bunch of inbred and uneducated morons think of him...If I asked you to swear on a bible that you were born of your mother's uterus would you not laugh too???
"Anyone who has looked at the images and 'specs' (specifications) of Apollo 11 with a half educated eye will point out hundreds of anomalies with the public images given out by NASA."
and how many of these people are half educated in astrophysics....what may be an anomaly in physics, is not in astrophysics....different laws and principles here.
"But, the conspiracy theory has got some significant points to doubt our best space adventure’s ‘tale’."
...actually, no it doesn't....ALL of them have been put to the test, simulated in anti-gravity chambers, and in vacuums, not one of them differed from the Apollo scenes.
"How could a flag in a space where every thing is nothing but void flap and flap?"
Sir Isaac Newton said: "Something in motion tends to stay in motion. Something at rest tends to stay at rest; unless acted on by an external force." The air is the external force. When an astronaut twists the flag pole, they are excerpting an external force, thus it is no longer at rest, and it flaps; when they let go, with NO air to stop it, it tends to stay in motion....Sir Isaac Newton explained that one hundreds of years before they even set foot on the Moon.
"How could an astronaut thrust a bar in one shot in a place were the gravity is weak enough even not able to pull a single water drop?"
Glassy, sand like soil....rather easy to penetrate.
"And how come the present technology turn to be not fit enough to land on the moon while the past (IT WAS ANCIENT COMPARED TO NOW) was potent?"
Potent??? HArdly. Dr. Von Braun, who developed the Saturn V rockets that powered the Apollo missions clearly told them NOT to do it! He said a fixed rocket was far to dangerous to use...and he was right. We can't do it now, because the risk is still as high as it was then...the difference is that it was worth the risk then...it's not now.
"I really really wish that the answer would be C yet; every legend to be a history has to be flawlessly proved if not, it will only be a legend- a sweet bedtime story for the innocent heart."
The retro-reflector has proven that we went to the Moon, sorry, this conspiracy has been debunked for years.
slasian: Bob NESTA Marley
Is that all that glitter is gold
Half the story had never been told
You can full some people some times
But you can’t full all the people all the times!
Blend them together there you have Pitter Tosh
We are sick an tired of your ism skism game!
john1576: Fogowar. Do you know anything about Physics or Astronomy? Laser Reflecter? Well now lets's see. The Moon, aprox 240.000. Miles from Earth. At the the time of Apollo 11 there was no laser on Earth that could beam a stream of light at the Moon. And even if there was, there would need to be a reflecter the size of General Motors Car Park in Detroit to reflect the light. Look, this is all 'Fun Stuff' put out by NASA. If NASA spoke in the technical language of their Science practically no one (including me) would understand them. But when they talk about 'put up a little ole laser reflecter and bounce a beam off it' we can all kind of go with that.
StuckInTheSixties: Actually, John and Thor, Fogowar was right on the money.
Or if the link doesn't work, just go to google and paste "Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment."
So much for John's expertise in physics and astronomy. What's your hat size, John?
Kudos for Fogowar's point-by-point analysis of John's "exposé".
Oh yeah! And I can't let "Apollo was also being shadowed by a Soviet Space Craft" go without being addressed: Didn't we see this in a cheezy James Bond movie or something? Thanks, John! Best laugh I've had in a while!
FogofWar: "At the the time of Apollo 11 there was no laser on Earth that could beam a stream of light at the Moon."
Laser technology was being developed in Nazi Germany during WWII.
"And even if there was, there would need to be a reflecter the size of General Motors Car Park in Detroit to reflect the light."
...and what formulas did you use to equate this area???
Actually, they do not need to be that large; but yes, to answer your question, they are quite large. The principle of a "Retro-Reflector", similar to that on a bicycle, is designed of multiple prism shaped reflective surfaces (like mirrors), which are strategically angeled to refract lightwaves directly, 180 degrees to the original source; thus losing far less light in the process, and thus requiring smaller laser and reflector sizes; although the lasers used are in fact more modern than were available in the world....given that laser development was in fact in existence in the world at that time, seems pretty obvious that mankind; only 70 years after learning powered flight and standing on the Moon, would be able to produce a laser capable of such a task....and with this oportunity to set up a devise that could help calculate the distance of the Moon, and pattern of orbit, down to within a millimetre of accuracy, think of the scientific studies that could come....the ability to study the effect of gravity on the Earth and the Moon, as well as the relation between the two celestial bodies.
...and to answer your question, yes, I do know something about physics and astronomy....although no, I do not claim to be a physicist like the two idiots that founded this rediculuous conspiracy.
"this is all 'Fun Stuff' put out by NASA"
funny...this seems to be the conspiracy theorists favourite despiration card....when backked into a corner, or presented with FACTS that prove their claim wrong, they just say the government (or NASA in this case) made it up, and it's all part of the coverup....of course, we probably shouldn't be discussing it here, as they are probably spying on us and we might 'disappear' for knowing too much hey?
Stuckinthe60's, the Soviets did follow the Apollo missions....but only through tracking radio communications, and comparing signals to determine their position....they just wanted to make sure they were doing it....can't say I have ever heard of them sending up a ship after it either.
The Soviet comment does raise one major flaw in the conspiracy theory however: In a war with the Soviet Union, conspirators believe that the US faked it to gain an upper hand technologically over the Soviets....so would then, the Soviet Union not be the first people to want to find proof it never happened??? The Soviets were begging for a piece of an error, just something to prove that they did not actuually go....yet the Soviets even admitted that they did go.
You can also look up the 'Apache Point Observatory Lunar Laser-ranging Operation', or APOLLO.
john1576: Fogowar. Look I am not having a go at you or NASA. But you are not doing NASA any favours by keeping this thread going. Are you seriously saying that in 1969 a laser could be fired at a target the size of a coffee table and the returning light analysed for data? are you being serious? We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not to our own facts. And yes a Soviet Space craft did shadow Apollo to the Moon. Why? we just don't know, the Russians have dumped most of their Space history stuff like NASA has. I am not saying NASA was being deceptive, am just saying they were being inclusive.
FogofWar: "Are you seriously saying that in 1969 a laser could be fired at a target the size of a coffee table and the returning light analysed for data?"
I thought it had to be the size of the GNM lot in Detroit....wwhat happened?
No one is saying they did in that time....we don't have the technology today to put man on Mars, so does that mean that we shouldn't send anything there for one day when we do?
"We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not to our own facts"
...and the facts are that those retro-reflectors are there; believe it or not, I really don't care.
Spirit One: nobody ever landed on the moon ,much less left our stratosphere ,even the space station is inside our stratosphere ,most of it is made of nylon ,seen a spacewalk where there were patching it with duct-tape LMFAO WROTF
slasian: FogofWar, you are beginning to sound like that cop in 'Training Day'; it's not what you know,it is what you can prove! I am realy tired of listening shits-trash wrapped in gold leaf.
StuckInTheSixties: I'm going to open up a "tin foil hat" shop in this forum. Should turn a tidy profit.