Do you think the consipracy nuts will shut up now?

Geoff
Geoff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8157368.stm

Images taken from orbit of Apollo landing sites. Do you think this will make those nuts who think it was all a hoax now knock it off and stop raining on everyone's parade?
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: No. People like to rag about stuff. They'll continue. I suggest ignoring them unless you enjoy it. In that case, make fun of them without mercy. They're dorks.
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: I dont think they will go away either.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Hey, we all have our little hobbies ...
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Would anyone care to know that I watched it on TV when it happened? It was pretty cool, but I was too young to have a proper appreciation of it. I did appreciate that it was historic, and REALLY REALLY cool, but I didn't really have the emotional exhileration that I kind of wish I'd had. I was 16. My head was more preoccupied with my guitar and my girlfriend's titties. If they go back to the moon in my lifetime, I'll be FREAKING OUT while watching it.
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Geoff
Geoff: I was born in '78, so I grew up with "Yeah, we've been to the moon. Big deal."

Then I learned, "Yup, we've been to the moon, but only 6 times." And that a little disappointing.

>Then< I learned the technical difficulties overcame by the Apollo project and it's like, "Damn, that is impressive."

When you look into the context of what NASA did (even if it was a cold war PR stunt) you can't help but think that it is was phenomenal. If only we could harness that sort of drive on that sort of scale without the threat of nuclear war.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: It's amazing how blase America got after that initial moon landing. Me too, I must admit.

There were, however, a number of other things that were kind of crowding the news: Lots of our young men coming home in boxes from a war everyone knew was a loser ...

President who was a petty criminal getting run out of office ...

Bad race relations ...

But still, the point Thor makes about the technical obstacles that had to be overcome ... it boggles the mind, doesn't it? And consider that the computing power aboard those space vehicles was probably less that that worn on my wrist as I type this text ...
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natowar
natowar: WOW stuck, I didn't know you were a part of that conspiracy too!
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Angelmouse
Angelmouse: SLightly off topic but you know what freaks me out?

The fact that the first flight was in 1903, and less than 70 years later we had people on the moon. 70 years is such a brief millisecond in the history of time. What else can we achive in the next 70 years? You know what i mean?

Also makes me think of Henry Allingham (see my blog) born before the first flight and died after concorde went out of service. Wow........
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jim-jim!
jim-jim!: similarly the Voyager 1 & 2 missions were truly amazing...
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Nick_kciN
Nick_kciN: For a single flag depicting a single nation to be planted, they could have only done it by standing on the back of all other countries.
It was an amazing achievement, the pinnacle of hatred, competition and vanity.
An involuntary convulsion, or a small step ?
Out of all the ways we as a species could have made that step, I believe we did it in the ugliest manner possible.
I hope that no one ever takes a flag to mars.

As for Capricorn one, Photographs of artifacts only prove the artifacts are there and not when they got there.
I think the moon landing was genuine, but a large front and distraction for “other things.”

Environmental control and pressure vessel technology was already established with submarines / U boats.
Liquid fuel rocket engines, and gyroscopic guidance / navigation had been used in the V1 rocket and onward.
We can thank WW2 for the technology and the Americans for proving the moon is not made of cheese.

B.T.W, what were “..the other things..” mentioned in Kennedys speech about going to the moon ?
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Geoff
Geoff: I think (hazy memory of having heard a recording of more of that famous speech) he referred to 'other things' being domestic issues to be settled by his administration.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Considering that Nick is from Cambodia, and considering what the USA did to that country and what resulted, I'll refrain from making any smart-ass remarks. He makes a good point.

But taking that concept to it's logical conclusion, if any country has ever been involved in any sort of warfare of aggression (that's a long list), and then that country makes any sort of "achievement" (say, landing on the moon, or building a dam, or developing a new medicine, whatever), then by your logic, it's come on the backs of someone or other.
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Geoff
Geoff: Damn, there go all of the UK's accomplishments...

The Jet engine, the WWW, the language we are all speaking here. I do think that the words engraved on the plinth they left behind should stand for longer than the politics involved, "We came in peace for all mankind." (We'll have to ignore the fact that Nixon's name was on it too).
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Didn't NASA include a sound recording on one of the Voyager probes that had a sample of Chuck Berry on it?
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Geoff
Geoff: Possibly, it sounds about right, along with Beethoven and some other stuff. A sample of blood, sample of Earth rock, that sort of thing.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: It was a gold plated (no corrosion) phonograph record. Johnny B. Goode. I just love the idea of that! I also love Beethoven, but the idea of Chuck Berry representing the human race just warms me!
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: You gotta love google. Here's the music that was included in Voyager:

> Bach, Brandenburg Concerto No. 2 in F. First Movement, Munich Bach Orchestra, Karl Richter, conductor. 4:40
> Java, court gamelan, "Kinds of Flowers," recorded by Robert Brown. 4:43
> Senegal, percussion, recorded by Charles Duvelle. 2:08
> Zaire, Pygmy girls' initiation song, recorded by Colin Turnbull. 0:56
> Australia, Aborigine songs, "Morning Star" and "Devil Bird," recorded by Sandra LeBrun Holmes. 1:26
> Mexico, "El Cascabel," performed by Lorenzo Barcelata and the Mariachi México. 3:14
> "Johnny B. Goode," written and performed by Chuck Berry. 2:38
> New Guinea, men's house song, recorded by Robert MacLennan. 1:20
> Japan, shakuhachi, "Tsuru No Sugomori" ("Crane's Nest," performed by Goro Yamaguchi. 4:51
> Bach, "Gavotte en rondeaux" from the Partita No. 3 in E major for Violin, performed by Arthur Grumiaux. 2:55
> Mozart, The Magic Flute, Queen of the Night aria, no. 14. Edda Moser, soprano. Bavarian State Opera, Munich, Wolfgang Sawallisch, conductor. 2:55
> Georgian S.S.R., chorus, "Tchakrulo," collected by Radio Moscow. 2:18
> Peru, panpipes and drum, collected by Casa de la Cultura, Lima. 0:52
"Melancholy Blues," performed by Louis Armstrong and his Hot Seven. 3:05
> Azerbaijan S.S.R., bagpipes, recorded by Radio Moscow. 2:30
> Stravinsky, Rite of Spring, Sacrificial Dance, Columbia Symphony Orchestra, Igor Stravinsky, conductor. 4:35
> Bach, The Well-Tempered Clavier, Book 2, Prelude and Fugue in C, No.1. Glenn Gould, piano. 4:48
> Beethoven, Fifth Symphony, First Movement, the Philharmonia Orchestra, Otto Klemperer, conductor. 7:20
> Bulgaria, "Izlel je Delyo Hagdutin," sung by Valya Balkanska. 4:59
> Navajo Indians, Night Chant, recorded by Willard Rhodes. 0:57
> Holborne, Paueans, Galliards, Almains and Other Short Aeirs, "The Fairie Round," performed by David Munrow and the Early Music Consort of London. 1:17
> Solomon Islands, panpipes, collected by the Solomon Islands Broadcasting Service. 1:12
> Peru, wedding song, recorded by John Cohen. 0:38
> China, ch'in, "Flowing Streams," performed by Kuan P'ing-hu. 7:37
> India, raga, "Jaat Kahan Ho," sung by Surshri Kesar Bai Kerkar. 3:30
> "Dark Was the Night," written and performed by Blind Willie Johnson. 3:15
> Beethoven, String Quartet No. 13 in B flat, Opus 130, Cavatina, performed by Budapest String Quartet. 6:37

Personally, I'd have gone with Bach's Brandenburg Concerto No. 5, 1st Mvmt, and Beethoven's Seventh Symphony, Second Mvmt. I'm happy to see Rite Of Spring was represented, as well as Blind Willie Johnson.

What the heck, it all sounds pretty good to me. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the decision making process for what was to be included, though.
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solus1
solus1: I saw the Lunar Lander in Washington D.C. (obviously not the one that went to the moon). I swear I could have made that in my kitchen, all except the gold foil. Have plenty of tin foil stacked up. It could work.
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racerjon
racerjon: I watched it on TV also. It was pretty cool. But going back to the "dorks" who say it didn't happen, how come, during an interview once, one of these people were interviewing Neil Armstrong. When he asked him if he would swear on the Bible that he walked on the moon, he ignored the question and ended the interview?
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solus1
solus1: Perhaps Neil Armstrong did not believe in the bible and was thus unwilling to "swear" upon it. Being a man of science, chances are that he did not believe in the bible. Keep in mind the time of the landing and how those without "religion" were often seen as communists. I think we have to remember the conditions under which a person is placed.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Ahh ... So Neil Armstrong ended the interview. Okay then. That certainly settles that. Conspiracy. No doubt.*









*sarcasm
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: It was all fake fake I tell you.
Why?
Because a woman in Perth seen a coke can in the video.
Fake fake I tell you.
Cant trust those Americans.
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john1576
john1576: Anyone who has looked at the images and 'specs' (specifications) of Apollo 11 with a half educated eye will point out hundreds of anomalies with the public images given out by NASA. However, few people can say Apollo 11 never 'happened' we just do not know 'How' NASA accomplished their Moon Landings. As for Thors Moon Landing sites pictures. Give me a day or two and I can give you pictures of Flying Saucers over Hillary Clinton's home spiriting Chelsea away as a kidnap hostage. (er, would you like pictures of Chelsea laughing or crying as the Aliens take her as Earth hostage?)
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john1576
john1576: Jack I know that incident you refer to. The woman saw an Astronaut run up and kick a Coke Bottle out of the screen scene. This image was not seen in Europe. There seem to have been at least 3 separate Moon Landing 'programmes broadcast' simultaneously around the world.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: I knew good ol' John wouldn't let us down!
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