Evolution (Page 2)

Entropy: They are. Evolution of thought is another very integral part of Human evolution that you are missing. Our cognitive abilities have allowed us to produce vaccines, medications, surgical equipment, casts, you name it. One problem with this is that we tamper with evolution... we can save the weak from death so they can propagate and spread their weak seed. The issue you are addressing is a complex one, but it blatantly obvious that Darwinian evolution is still at work, even there.

And, you also forget, the only way for a population to shift is for the majority of the population to die. If everyone with asthma died before the age of sexual maturity, then asthma would be wiped from the earth. We do not allow the natural selection process to happen through medicinal science, so you still see disease in our gene pool. We are reaching a point in our cognitive abilities to rid genes of these conditions, however. We will be able to cleanse genes without allowing the masses to die. Is this good? I don't know... but it is already happening.

PerpetualDreamer: Therefore your argument supporting Darwinism is that it does not apply to Humans because Humans have interfered? To a degree, that makes sense. I do not agree that it proves Evolution; it creates more questions. My further objections are based on botany and archaeology. There are to many questions and potential evidence to contradict the evolutionary time line.

Since Humans interfering with Darwin did come up, I will mention this, probably again. Neolithic man supposedly converted wild plants to domestic. Would be nice and tidy, if plausible. Short of a miracle, which I don't think are allowed in Darwinian theory, Neolithic man did not convert plants because he would not have been able to. Even if basic crop manipulation could change the plants, it would have taken generations of cultivating plants that the farmers, nor their families, could eat. I would be impressed if contemporary societies would do that. Since its unlikely Neolithic man changed plants, who did?

How does evolution account for science advanced enough to modify wild plants for Human consumption when Humans were barely growing crops.? (Alien theories aside, here.) Articles on wild plant to domestic plant research has shown that wild wheat to domestic wheat, is a whole lot more then basic agriculture. Then there are some domestic plants that have no known wild varieties.

Now that I think of it, we have seen evidence of multiple groups, such as Neanderthal and Cromagnon (sp,) living at the same time. Makes me wonder, at least, if Neolithic man, was alone.

Geoff: "Since Humans interfering with Darwin did come up, I will mention this, probably again. Neolithic man supposedly converted wild plants to domestic"

SUDDENLY? Do you know how many thousands of years it took to domesticate the crops we use? Suddenly is hardly an apt adjective. Agrarian culture was something forced on humanity by the changing climate, and culture changed dramatically over (what was probably only a few generations). But it took several thousand years from the deliberate cultivation of crops and herds to develop strains which could be called domestic.

As an example, from the end of the last period of major glaciation (commonly referred to as the ice age), it took four or five thousand years for the first species of animal to be properly domesticated (the reindeer).