Natural vs. Artificial (Page 2)

x_Emma_x
x_Emma_x: I totally agree that everything is natural as whatever 'man' makes is from some form of natural resource. However, like i said to start, if God made everything its all man-made and nothing is 'natural'.
Yet, to answer your question, if 'man' makes tools to 'aquire' food this isnt natural...hunting and gathering food is natural...making something to 'aquire' it isn't that natural process. It is however evolution. ummmm, i could be confused after that....lol
15 years ago Report
0
franklin1950
franklin1950: this thread could easily morph into the religeous forum .
man is the centre , the be all and end all . ?
creation was natural .
a sentient creature with inteligence , reason , choice appears natural .
anything this magnificant man creates , manipulates , comes in contact with , is by assosiation natural .
nothing is artificial .
15 years ago Report
0
Cash
Cash: age old dispute between religion and science.....
15 years ago Report
0
x_Emma_x
x_Emma_x: I'm gunna go sit in Cash's corner, because my science and religious knowledge is limited...no offence Cash
Umm, wait, I did this to myself...oops!!
15 years ago Report
0
Cash
Cash: hey so is mine...Im just trying to sound like I know what I speak of...I really haven't a clue
15 years ago Report
0
x_Emma_x
x_Emma_x: ha ha, i admire your honesty, was pretty transparant like, but you got involved huni...more than most.
15 years ago Report
0
Wireclub AdminWireclub Admin (Wireclub Admin)
Wireclub Admin: So true, so true... in the end, what do we know?
15 years ago Report
1
x_Emma_x
x_Emma_x: ermmmm, never to argue with admin coz he can punish me hoping u wont tho
15 years ago Report
0
Wireclub AdminWireclub Admin (Wireclub Admin)
Wireclub Admin: I am not 'that guy' - you can totally argue with me
15 years ago Report
1
Outbackjack
Outbackjack: The big definition between natural and man made is that natural has been around longer than us and is well established and not an unknown quantity.Man made is a new unknown variable a lot of the time when it is created.
Now back to the point we should be cautious of anything that is man made and it should be tested fully so it can be deemed safe.Noone except your diehard Maoist or Luddite wants to go back to the horse and cart( though that is man made lol ).
I will throw a real big spanner in the works here Admin and that is two words. NANO PARTICLES.
There is great hope in the world of science today for the use of nano particles.These are ultra tiny particles which can be used as a barcode in products to what scientists hope eventually they could be sent into your body to repair organs.Their potential is almost unlimited.
They are currently used in Suncream and cosmetics and I hear they are even in some kinds of bread.
A recent study in the UK has found that they can in certain forms ( depending what the makeup of it is ) be as toxic as asbestos.
This is clearly an unknown quantity and should be thoroughly tested and not just released in the market for quick profits.Another one is genetically modified organisms.
The problem with advances in Technology is the corporations dont care and have no problem with their mates in government food authorities releasing it on an unsuspecting population purely for profit.
15 years ago Report
0
Wireclub AdminWireclub Admin (Wireclub Admin)
Wireclub Admin: @OutbackJacko

I understand your cautious position. However I feel like it is a little bit off topic. I am not arguing that all scientific progress yields a positive outcome - I am just arguing that claiming that the fruits of science are not-natural is a mistake. No idea should ever be opposed based on 'leaving things to nature' simply because everything we do is an expression of nature itself.

Even the assumption that everything natural is healthier for an individual is incredibly biased and in my opinion misguided. Ask any person that had their appendix removed and they would be forced to agree. Without the 'artificial' procedure, they would be dead.

15 years ago Report
1
Outbackjack
Outbackjack: Agreed.
15 years ago Report
1
x_Emma_x
x_Emma_x: Phew @ admin not being 'that guy', ummm braden i have to watch out for uh???
Also, what a response... 'Agreed'. I like it.
15 years ago Report
0
bella
bella: "esse est peripi"- to be is to be perceived. GB
15 years ago Report
1
alien32
alien32: there's nothing artificial about aliens
15 years ago Report
1
☆ nerd•a•licious ★
☆ nerd•a•licious ★: I think while you have a slight point, on some things.
You're also being overly technical.

If i shoved some DD implants in my chest, so what silicon is from earth. almost everything we use is "from earth", it's still not what i was born with, so it's not natural to my body. ya know?!
Same goes with a lot of other things.
I mean, if we where this technical about everything, we'd all be African.
Since the first humans where from Africa.
Heck, we'd all be just humans. No more nationalities, no more race.
Ya know?
Screw living in Japan, USA, or Brazil. We'd all just live on Earth.
and There wouldn't be any name-brands, it would just be, clothes.
etc, etc, ETC.
So yes, building materials, implants, medicines, ETC are all from earth.
But taking some pill to make your monthly gift, only show up 4 times a year, is not natural to your body. Getting implants, is not natural to your body. Losing a leg, and getting one made from plastic, is not natural to you body. Yes the plastic is from earth, along with everything else lmao, but you're not born with it.
Have a bag made from Cotton is natural-material bag because it's made from a material that grows straight from the earth. Having a bag made of Plastic, isn't having a natural-material bag, because event hough plastic is from earth lol, it doesn't grow in balls on a tree.
etc, etc, etc.
:]



- xoxox Fujiko ♥ -
15 years ago Report
0
franklin1950
franklin1950: littlemsphantom...don't be bashfull/shy , if you have an opinion , don't hold back .
don't beat around the bush , come right out and say it .
15 years ago Report
0
Goran
Goran: Nothing to see here. Post deleted by user.
15 years ago Report
0
Goran
Goran: It's helpful to differentiate between stuff that's men made and other stuff. I don't think anyone would claim a house is artificial and nest is natural. They are both natural. Yet house may be built of artificial materials - those that don't exist in nature and have to be concocted and manufactured.
I don't think there is a nefarious nature behind this differentiation. Initially, artificial stuff was seen as superior, as a show that men conquered nature. As some of this stuff started causing health problems, since we haven't evolved around it, it received a negative connotation. Artificial sweetener for example.
15 years ago Report
1
Wireclub AdminWireclub Admin (Wireclub Admin)
Wireclub Admin: That is pretty my point Goran. While Artificial and Natural are not mutually exclusive - their exclusivity is the central dogma for many people that want to halt scientific progress in certain areas.

Everything that exist is by definition natural. Even everything we do because we are part of nature. If nature spawned us with the ability to learn about and manipulate DNA for example it is because we are supposed to do so. Saying some things should be left to nature is a shortsighted mistake.

So to clarify my point. I believe everything that is Artificial is also Natural. Artificial should be interpreted 'Made by man' not 'Made by man rather than natural'. In that case, the 'leave things to nature' argument is invalidated.

Some people will now bring up the 'playing god' argument. That by tempering with nature we are 'playing god' and that is apparently wrong.

Well, what I find most interesting about that argument is that the same people that will claim to be against 'man playing god' would not turn down lifesaving surgeries if they needed it. Isn't curing someone who was supposed to die 'playing god' as well?

Where is the line being drawn and who has the authority to draw it?
15 years ago Report
1
Wireclub AdminWireclub Admin (Wireclub Admin)
Wireclub Admin: The artificial sweetener topic is also something I have interest in. Aspartame is the most well know and well tested artificial food additive currently available and there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that it is bad for us.

On the other hand, refined sugar is *guaranteed* to harm you in a few dozen aways that range from the obvious accumulation of body fat to neurotoxity. Yet if you make a pool you will have most of people saying that Aspartame is worse for you than sugar.

Go figure - sometimes I feel like I am living in the bizarro world
15 years ago Report
1
Cash
Cash: I heard Aspartame caused cancer, no?

whatever, god bless Diet Coke
15 years ago Report
0
Wireclub AdminWireclub Admin (Wireclub Admin)
Wireclub Admin: I think being human causes cancer LOL

I believe that soon enough we will find evidence that conclusively links Aspartame to cancer. The point of my comment is that while we are still trying to establish that connection people seems to behave like it is already a certainty.

At the same time, refined sugar is proven and guaranteed to be bad for you and no one seems to care too much about it. The same people that will not drink aspartame will happily order a cinnamon bum from McDonald's.

And don't even get me started on high-fructose corn syrup... now, that is a killer.
15 years ago Report
1
Cash
Cash: LOL, I know what you mean Rod.

There's also the smoker who won't drink "tap" water out of fear of being poisoned....figure that one out
15 years ago Report
0
ravnight
ravnight: Nothing to see here. Post deleted by user.
15 years ago Report
0