Odds of other life in the Universe (Page 12)

MrNoone 0
MrNoone 0: noooooooooo
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: After reading the first one Kitty all I can do is at what lengths people will go to suggest what could have happen ! " Or as they stated WE purpose " because one has maybe found the possibility of how Oxygen , and Hydrogen may have formed ', it's a far cry from all the engineering work , design ,testing ,and production of a Saturn Five rocket engine .. Not to mention 'who installed the fuel within the holding tanks in the first place ..

The second site would not load ,, Again Abiogenesis remains Impossible !

I know you belief everything your told None the less You haven't long to wait for the answer because the answer just to simple for you accept . It's IMPOSIBLE !
RNA is just as Complex as DNA just shorter !

Above ! I know that Science knows How Oxygen and hydrogen is formed ! Just using these two elements as a example of how ridiclous their assumptions are !

Note also :that a Saturn Five rocket is billions of time less complex as RNA
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Just actual research. The point was they are getting closer. The second one was about the archaea bacteria (pre oxygen using) being more adaptable to this type of RNA.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Closer to what ! More assumptions . I mean really !

The existence of Molecules or how Molecules may have formed ',are in no way even a simple explanation of RNA .
Any more than the existence of Crude oil can explain the workings of the internal combustion engine ! OMG I'm taking to religious Evolutionist so determine that their pseudoscience is true.. Wake up n' smell the Science

Note also : that these researchers are being granted great sums of money to decieve you and others.. If they say anything other than what they told too say 'they will not receive a living or the accolades of their piers, and others of thier religious beliefs ! No matter how good their intentions are ! No matter what they're bias is !
Very much the same as statistics are twisted to say what the funders require them to say '. Money rules the World and all things including Science n' Education ! !


Never forget the only real religion everyone on Earth accepts is Greed !
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Corwin
Corwin: I did not.
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Corwin
Corwin: "We know that it's theoretically possible," Really; how do you Know this ? Because life exist here ?

Precisely.
Everywhere on Earth where there's water, organic molecules, and an energy source, we find life. Therefor, if there are other planets or moons that have water, organic molecules, and an energy source, it is "theoretically possible" for life to exist there.

And it wouldn't have had to have formed spontaneously there... there's plenty of cross-contamination between the planets and moons in our solar system from asteroid or comet impacts, and if they find microbial life in Europa's ocean it may be descended from Earth microbes that were "seeded" there.

To deny these possibilities just demonstrates that you have some confusion as to what "theoretically possible" means.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Corwin I believe I know who did it !

Therefore if I understand that', it 's also theoretically possible that the Saturn five rocket could have developed on it own over time ! According to what your saying !

After all the elements for all the metals and parts are here on earth .

To deny this possibility just demonstrates that you have some confusion as to what "theoretically possible" means.


I understand that's a ridiculous assumption , The problem is you don't seem too understand that your assumption is even more ridiculous .
DNA and RNA is far more complex than a Saturn Five rocket !

Just because something is very small DNA and Life doesn't make any easier to build .. Where has any life been developed by man without life !

I suppose I don't understand life at all .
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MrNoone 0
MrNoone 0: is there life on hoth
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: So what they are basically saying, its a complicated feedback system, we don't understand it so it must be impossible. Just ignore all the fossil, geological, and genetic evidence of evolution, cause my bible tells me so.
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MrNoone 0
MrNoone 0: i think we can make it to promixma world in with 7 lifetimes from now
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Corwin
Corwin: Saturn V rockets aren't found in the ancient fossil records... but Saturn V rockets DID appear, about 50 years ago.
From the first appearance of life on this planet, to the appearance of Saturn V rockets, took about 3.8 billion years.

Did they appear "naturally"?... Well... that's up for debate... if life appeared naturally, and life evolved into Humans naturally, and Humans built Saturn V rockets.... then yes... they appeared naturally.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: I'm stating a fact .. Whatever others believe is up to them ..

But Saturn five rockets have appeared haven't they .. I suppose in five billion years from now someone will think they grew themselves also

Yet that would be more logical 'seeing that Rockets are far less complex than DNA
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: In that analogy, arent humans the equivalent of DNA/RNA, slowly getting more complex in their construction of civilization. From catapults to saturn V's the evolution of civilization has followed a similar path.
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Corwin
Corwin: What exactly is this "fact" that you're stating... Science doesn't throw that word about so casually as you do.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: The "fact" that DNA is the most complex code we have ever encounter ! Do you disagree ?
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Corwin
Corwin: So, you're claiming that because we see something so complex, and cannot fully explain it at this time, that it MUST be impossible.

That is a logical fallacy knows as "Argument From Ignorance".
Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence... anymore than Science can prove that your "God" doesn't exist.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: no, computer codes often use Hexadecimal or base 16, DNA uses a base 8 which is way better than binary but doesnt carry as much data as Hex. I suppose that might be another step in evolution that might happen some day.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: the fact that it can do it with 4 proteins is amazing, that is why that experiment using the inosine protein was significant. Yet another possibility.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: No: I'm saying it's Impossible to explain the complexity of DNA with all the assumption ,and opinions that have been theorized so far . It remains impossible', not to mention illogical, and without reason to assume it could had developed by chance or on it own..



Claiming you're so much smarter' to believe the impossible ! Doesn't make any logical sense either !
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: The thing is, your looking at the end result of 3.5 billion years of evolution in the RNA/DNA model, and saying this can't just pop into existence. It may have started with a much much simpler model.
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Corwin
Corwin: BOBBY... you're still barking up the wrong tree here by using the "Odds of other Life in the Universe" forum to go on your anti-Evolution rant.

REGARDLESS of how life got here... here it is... and it seems to exist wherever water and energy are present.

So you wish to insist that life only exists where your GOD "put" it... so fine... maybe your God put it on Europa, or on Saturn's moons, or on Mars...
... do you claim to know the "mind of your God"? You know what His great plans are, or to say what He will or won't do??

How's THAT for "assumptions"?

Bugger off Bobby... we're not debating Evolution here.

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duncan124
duncan124:

I don't believe there is any anywhere else.

Not least because none of the next door planets have developed any life what so ever.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Duncan, like Corwin said , where ever there is water and energy on this world there is life. That leaves places like Europa and Titan where both exist.
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duncan124
duncan124:

Conjecture is not a reasonable belief.

What if there is no other life anywhere???
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