What about the 10 commandments? (Page 3)

“If you say so. Seems a bit too simplistic to me”

It’s not about YOU and what’s wrong with simplicity? It’s all easy to understand if you just apply simple logic.

What I meant was YOU said this; you're not speaking for all Jews. This is YOUR opinion; even if borrowed from someone else, you're owning it. If Jews all thought the same, there wouldn't have been any sects.

I've got nothing against simplicity. However, oversimplification isn't helpful; usually, it's misleading.

An oversimplication omits critical information : You wrote "The instant ..... receiving of the Torah occurred, ..... children of Israel became a nation. " (the Hebrew words in your quote were redundant)

Could that instant be in earth time, space time, or in eternity, where no space or time exists? Does receiving it mean having it handed to you on a tablet, or listening to it being chanted aloud, or feeling receptive to it?
A nation is a large body of people, united by something in common, and dwelling in a particular country or region. Would that be in Egypt, Goshen, the Sinai, Arabia, or Canaan?

“The book of Exodus is about our journey as bnei Yisrael from a family to a nation.” – Poetry

We also know it didn’t happen quickly and a nation isn’t necessarily of the same blood. Moses took many tribes, not of the same blood, into the wilderness. The first generation could have been POTENTIAL children of Israel (those who’ve submitted to God), but were NOT and never had been.

They were given the chance and they failed. However, all was not lost – the children benefited and lived up to that potential. ONLY the second generation from among these tribes were the children of Israel.

This leads us to a penetrating question - were there any LIVING children of Israel before Moses appeared? No, I don't think so - of course, many had the spiritual lineage but they were sleeping until Moses appeared - He woke them up and rejuvenated their souls.

'This leads us to a penetrating question - were there any LIVING children of Israel before Moses appeared? No, I don't think so - of course, many had the spiritual lineage but they were sleeping until Moses appeared - He woke them up and rejuvenated their souls.'- Zanjan
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Of course there were bnei Yisrael/ children of Israel before Moshe Rabbeinu appeared. Bnei Yisrael are the descendants of Yaakov who was later renamed Yisrael.

I tried to edit/add to my answer but for some reason wasn't able...

Sons of Yaakov: Reuven, Shimon, Levi, Yehudah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Yissachar, Zevulun, Yoseph and Binyamin.

The 12 Tribes of Israel are descended from the 12 sons of Yaakov.

Moshe Rabbeinu belonged to the Tribe of Levi...as do I

Abraham is considered the father of numerous nations and, in particular, the "father of the faithful". Moses was descended from Abraham; how many of Abraham's descendants were a Prophet of God? How many of Abraham's descendants were faithful? How many reached the Promised Land? How many of them fathered other nations?

Poetry, I guess this is where we diverge in our thinking. The descendants of Jacob belong to his bloodline - He is the patriarch, their ancestor. However, the children of Israel are the descendants of a spiritual heritage. Israel is a Holy name for a certain kind of person; they produce spiritually faithful children, who may or may not be blood relatives.

This story began in the East because that's where the spiritual sun always rises. However, it's not confined to the East - the spiritual sun moves like the physical sun.

We talk about God's chosen people. The opportunity to be chosen by God only happens at a particular time in history - that's during the springtime of Faith. No one can be "chosen" unless they're living in the Days of God.

You know that God sifts the wheat from the chaff, yet not all wheat is of the same quality; they're graded. The choicest is given to God and the royals. There are certain seasons where the whole crop is better than others. Moses appeared in the worst season, to the worst, most blighted of people; this POOR quality crop is what He has to work with, for the Glory of God.

So, there will need to be some training and discipline - only those who believe it's possible to achieve greatness under Moses's guidance will be going on this journey. This is the rag- tag bunch Moses left Egypt with -NOT the chosen people yet, but the people who put their hands up, saying "take me!" This is the body of potential. It remains to be seen who attains it.

If they fail, their children will have that same opportunity because it's springtime, the morning of a new dispensation.

"You will be MY People" is spoken in future tense. MY people are those who reflect the divine virtues, people who are sincere, just, trustworthy, kind, gentle, honest, reliable, God-loving people. How many individuals like these will be left by the time they get to the Promsied Land?

You recall Esau, who sold his birthright to his twin brother, Jacob. You don't come back from that. This is that same story. God never changes His ways.

Matthew 22
But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

That is the ontological commandment Adam had. When God called all of creation Good he never bound it to anything. There was no ceremonial law for Adam. God sanctified the seventh day as eternal without end but because Adam sinned chronology came to the world. The sanctification of the seventh day comes in the fact that no sin existed and all was good perpetually. The same thing we receive when we are in Christ. Christ is the fulfilment of the Sabbath and to be in Christ naturally prevents you to even THINK upon sin therefore keeping any type of commandment since even the root isnt there. Those are my thoughts

The days of creation are the Days of God - that is, the dispensations of the Revelators. "God rested" - it says nothing else. To imagine God would never create again is absurd. This is not an opinion, it's the reality of the power of God, the Living Source of all creation.

You can think of it as a ship coming to dock in the harbour after a long journey. It rests while unloading its cargo and reloading with new cargo. Then it sails again.

These Days were the countdown to the end of the Old World Order - we know that because it happened. When God rested, that was the last stage of mankind's youth. It has nothing to do with sin; it's about waxing into increasingly greater responsibility.

Fact: the Menorah is a reminder not to forget the count. Today, we can Name each one of those Lights.

Ours is a young species on earth - it has gone from its infancy, to childhood, and to adolescence - this juncture we call the 'rite of passage'. The time for maturity is upon us; in this passage, we leave the playthings of our childhood behind and step into a new world, where adults speak and aren't told.

To do away with the 10 commandments is to destroy the ship with all souls aboard.

“Those are my thoughts”

Not your thoughts. Someone else’s. Just another cut and paste.

Still my thoughts

Not yours. Someone else’s. You just happen to agree with them. Try thinking for yourself sometime.

If you read something and you adopt that stance as yours then its yours. You can also say "i adopt the same opinion as X or Y"

Then reiterate it IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Cite the source. Don’t cut and paste the source and mislead the reader into believing they are YOUR words. It’s dishonest.

Lol. I did cite the source. If i cite the source then its clear i am adopting somebody's opinion. You just seem to have a problem for me to say that the source's opinion is mine as well. Theres nothing dishonest. You are taking issue with phraseology and way of explaining vs the actual source content

You cited a Bible verse then cut and pasted SOMEBODY ELSE’S commentary. You did not cite the source of that commentary. You portrayed it as your own words. It’s ok to admit it. You’re free to agree with anything or anyone. The dishonesty comes in when you lift someone else’s words and frame them as your own. Geeez.

DNC, how do you know it was someone else's commentary (as opposed to idea) ?

I mean, you can't copyright an idea because it's in the common pool of consciousness. Several people can have the same idea simultaneously or in different hemispheres and decades apart, yet be unaware that anyone else had the same idea. You can't call one drop in the ocean your own.

Are you saying it was plagiarism? Or were you referring to some dogma devised by the clergy?

I know this guy and his post is obviously not his words but he claimed they were HIS thoughts. Sure he agrees with the thoughts but they were not originally his. Doesn’t matter. Not a hill to die on.

Lol 2025 and you still argue about irrelevant things vs the actual content. The commentary was indeed mine but it is popular one and self explanatory one based on the verse itself. If somebody before me has stated it its due to the idea being self evident from the verse

Actually, Mathew 37-40 needs no interpretation - these Words stand alone because they are instructions from God.

The faithful don't have opinions on what God says. Obedience to the laws and ordinances teaches us why. They aren't like earthly laws; for example, it's not possible to legislate love. If you could, everybody would have loved, except a few criminals.

The opposite of love isn't hate - it's indifference. Had God said, "I forbid you to be indifferent", it wouldn't have made any sense because that's an emotional state. God created emotions - why would He outlaw His own handiwork??

So, we view divine law as principles of operation; with the case in question, it's the principle of movement. For example, that water won't pour itself out of the jug; I have to pick it up and tip it out. Love is the water in the vessel.

If I don't commit to this action, how could I know the power of love? How much love to pour? What will the recipient (s) do on contact? When will it evaporate? Those and other questions will all be answered once it's performed.

In these basic instructions, it's self-evident we're being informed *who* to love and *how*.