What about the 10 commandments?

Should we still keep them ? Or is it abolished?
Which of these can you prove biblically!

The 10 Commandments are the foundation of every civilization and the timeless core of all moral conduct. They have no trappings of culture and can't be twisted by interpretation.

Since this collection is the framework of the human social order, without them, chaos would ensue. They're not just laws, they're true working principles. As such, nobody disagrees with them. The problem is many aren't motivated to practice them consistently.

Character weakness can be eliminated but not the principles - those are carved in stone. When the weakness is eradicated, the individual doesn't have to "try" - the doing is as natural as drinking a glass of water.

How does one prove something "biblically"? We can prove it right now.

To be clear, if an individual breaks just ONE of those Commandments, obeying all the rest won't earn any merit. Eventually, they'll repeat and break another one.

This collection is focused on showing respect. You can treat everyone with respect, whether it's yourself or someone you deeply despise. However, it's not likely you'll be motivated to do that if you don't know divine love.

If one consistently obeys ALL of the 10 Commandments, they can't sit on their laurels because they're ready to do more. I can't begin to count the number of Commandments mankind has received since those were introduced.

The Ten Statements (which is a more accurate translation) were given to the Children of Israel ONLY. Non Jews are not obligated to follow them.

There are seven universal laws that all humans should live by and can be found in the Book of Genesis. Google Noachide Covenant or the seven Noachide Laws.

Non Jews are not expected to observe the Sabbath which is one of the famous 10.

Jews actually have 613 total they are tasked with living by collectively.

So a direct answer to the question is only Jews have to follow them and they have never nor will they ever be abolished…for the Jewish people.

Jews heard Hashem speak the aseret hadibrot (ten statements) at Horev- 'learn them and be careful to perform them and teach your children and your children's children...'

This was the covenant- instructing Jews to keep the 10 commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:9-13

In the Bible, the order of the list of 10 Commandments isn't important - their relativity is.
"Thou shalt not" is universal - meaning, for ALL mankind, religious or not. Moses's followers were to set the example for the heathens.

The light of the Word of God falls on all, even on those who've had no contact with each other, like on the other side of the planet. Every receptive human will be inspired by the Holy Spirit. The insensitive will be dragged along by its power as civilization advances.

Some laws include explanations. Explanations aren't laws, they're guidance. Some would be specifically for the followers of Moses since pagans and heathens aren't likely to understand the deeper significance.

For example: "Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it......." - this is universal.

Even if you're an atheist, you should still co-operate with those who dedicate themselves to God. You'll have your own special days to treasure, like an anniversary or birthday, a rite of passage, a casual day at the office, etc.

The explanations for this law are:

1. "....as thy God commanded thee." God decides that through His Revelator; consequently, the name of the day isnt given in the list. Different religions have a different Sabbath day. All religious folk understand.

2. "Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:" So, it's clear that that the Sabbath is once per week, not monthly or annually. Also, one is not to have gainful employment on one day. As a mercy from God, everyone NEEDS at least ONE day of rest per week, no matter what calendar you use. Even atheists and civil government understand that.

3. Deuteronomy 5: 14 & 15 is guidance expressly for the Jews, their families, their servants, and their animals. On this day, they are to remember the enslavement of their people and their escape from Egypt. It holds no meaning for anyone else.

Things that have been abolished are not spiritual laws, they're social laws - those change frequently according to the needs of the age. For example:

Burning offerings are defunct. Animal sacrifices are no longer offered to God. Instead, safely prepared meat is occasionally distributed to the local poor for a meal.
Women in their menses are no longer unclean, having to be separated from the community and its activities.

Zanjan: “In the Bible, the order of the list of 10 Commandments isn't important…”

FALSE

The first five are in regards to G-d’s relationship to man. The second set is about man’s relationship to man. The order is of most importance. Also, if you compare side by side, the G-d/man commandments correlate with the man/man commandment.

Zanjan: “ Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it......." - this is universal.”

FALSE

Shabbat was given to the Jewish people solely. They were the only ones there at Sinai to receive it. NOT universal and the fact that a small percentage of mankind keeps the seventh day holy is proof it’s not universal.

Zanjan: “Burning offerings are defunct.”

FALSE

Not defunct. Temporarily suspended. When the TRUE MOSHIACH arrives, the Beit Hamikdash (Temple) will be rebuilt and the Levitical offerings will resume.

I see what DNC was trying to say but he hacked my sentence, which changed my meaning.

Here's my full original sentence>>> "the order of the list of 10 Commandments isn't important - their relativity is.

Consequently, in the first five, there's no priority. Same for the second 5.
One commandment isn't more important than the other to obey. There are no lessers among the ten.

"Shabbat was given to the Jewish people solely." - DNC

In any language, it's the same thing. Moses instituted the Sabbath (not explanations) and by the Will of God, it remained with mankind via the Revelators in successive religions during the Old World Order. Since each Revelator delivered a new calendar, the 7th day could land anywhere God chose. Had it been as DNC asserts, that wouldn't have occurred.

The God DNC has in his head is the kind who ignores all of His human creations except for a tiny exclusive group of very stubborn people.

"Not defunct. Temporarily suspended." - DNC

God has NEVER said that. There is NO evidence of that.

The truth is, when a civilization falls, it never gets back up again. That's the history of the old world order. Look to what Isaiah prophecied:
The New World Order is ONE global (planetary) civilization where all peoples and nations are united.

I’m not going to waste time correcting your nonsense. However, one claim you made is abjectly false.

Not defunct. Temporarily suspended." - DNC

“God has NEVER said that. There is NO evidence of that.” — Zanjan

G-d speaks through His Prophets.

Hosea 3:4 —
“For the children of Israel shall remain for many days, having neither king, nor prince, nor sacrifice, nor pillar, nor ephod nor teraphim.”

There you have it. G-d Himself through Hosea prophesied the suspension of qorban. You consistently show your ignorance every time a Judaic topic is discussed.

So what? Hosea lived in the 8th century BC. His ministry extended from the reign of Jeroboam II to the reign of King Hoseah (731-722 BCE).

His prophecy was fulfilled with the destruction of the first Temple in 586 BC. That's a done thing - it's over. While he said nothing about a second temple, he did say that when the Jews returned, they'd be looking for that King who was like David. The problem was, they had no more Prophets so they were flying blind.

Historical fact - they never got their king. Herod was installed by the Romans. Clearly, he wasn't the ideal king and many said not even a real Jew.

Who prophecied the destruction of the Second Temple? Was He a JEWISH prophet?

You stated G-d NEVER said the offerings would be suspended and I proved you wrong with a single verse. The rest of your post is noise.

If that's the case, why dont Jews have a Temple where they can make sacrificial offerings.......and a king?

Since DNC didn't answer my question, who has prophesied a THIRD Temple? Was he a Jewish Prophet?

The Command of God is the Will of God. It doesn't align with the will of the people, no matter who they are. In everything, the people must rise to be on God's side.

“If that's the case, why dont Jews have a Temple where they can make sacrificial offerings.......and a king?”

What part of TEMPORARY suspension do you not understand?

You’ve just cited irrefutable proof that Moshiach has not yet arrived as there is no Temple and no King…yet. Your jesus completely failed. Moving on.

If Jesus failed, then Muhammad won. What's sitting on Temple Mount? Explain.

Straw man argument. Nothing to do with the thread topic. Once again I will reiterate the qorban offerings are TEMPORARILY suspended until Moshiach comes. Why so difficult to grasp this fact?

“Since DNC didn't answer my question, who has prophesied a THIRD Temple? Was he a Jewish Prophet?”

Ezekiel, a Jewish prophet. Any other easy questions?

For something to be designated as temporary, it must include a * date * of restoration. Sure, we can say 3 thousand years has *many* days but where's the date?

I know where there is a date but does DNC?

Furthermore, if only a single event is the *sign*, then the real thing must have occured - it must coincide with the prophecy of the nation of Israel being restored. History says it has been. Yet there is no King of the Jews because temporal kings were eliminated, not suspended.

The "Moshiach" is not someone who everyone recognizes. Had it been so, Moses and His people would never have been challenged.

I have no idea what you just posted. It’s insufferable nonsense.

Incidentally, Moshiach WILL be someone everyone recognizes due to his fulfillment of the entire messianic agenda. No Temple today? Moshiach has not come. Simple and straightforward unlike your misguided posts.

Ezekeil lived in the 6th century B.C. His vision was of the Second Temple period. What's left of the Second Temple? Nothing but the western wall.

One ought to ask, could man really frustrate God?

Ezekeil 43 – 1-2
“Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:
And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.”

Five hundred years later >>> When Jesus entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, He came through the East Gate.

Ezekeil 43: 5-6
“ So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house. And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.”

This is where the Priests gathered at the Temple to put Jesus on trial after He was arrested.

Ezekeil 44 –
“ then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut. Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.”

The East Gate is the entrance to the city of Jerusalem an survives to this day, albeit it was sealed by Muslims but can still be accessed from inside Temple mount. As prophecied by Ezekiel, nobody agian is coming though that gate from the outside, not ever!

Always a mistake to engage you in what should be a rational conversation. Nothing but inane ramblings and tangents that stray from the topic. Shalom eleicham.

Historical records trump rational discussion because facts are stronger than ideas.

The Temple of God is built by Who God says it will be and named thusly. I think if you've waited for a Temple to be built first, you've already missed the Messiah and the favour of having your name immortalized. However, you've only missed the brave part; it's not too late to catch up.

The Messiah never came so we missed nothing. Concrete evidence of this fact is all around. Just read the news. Wars all over the world. The Messiah will end all wars and defeat Israel’s enemies. That ain’t never happened. Case closed. Your gobbledygook posts will never change the facts but you’ll never learn.