If God exists, where is he? (Page 4)

Eternity seems to be one of those concepts that slip through your fingers. Consider how it's defined:

Eternity is time without an end or a state of existence outside time, especially the state which some people believe they will pass into after they have died.

[ https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/eternity ]

So it's either a succession of instances without beginning or end or an unchanging, frozen state where nothing can happen. And if it's the latter, then any god that might exist will just "be"; an inert entity without the power of thought or action.

I notice that some people claim that God, being outside of time, will see the whole of past, present and future as one totality. Well, I can't agree with that because God, being apart from time, will not "see".

Seeing, like all actions, requires time.

We know that nothing in existence remains static so you can rule out that notion.

"time without an end"

That's not eternity - that's infinity, the endless number of a thing. The word "eternity" applies to the religious field. For instance, you're living your eternity at this exact moment. Ergo, things in eternity are paced, one event after the other.

You only know your eternity partially - up to this moment. However, you've missed a ton of elements that were involved in your eternity prior to this moment. You might be fortunate to have an epiphany but for sure you'll see those things in the Hereafter.

Pacing continues after we die. According to ancient religious teachings, if you're a non-believer, there won't be any new items in that string - you'd be doomed to repeat your life events, mentally, over and over again forever, as if in an endless loop of burning fire. I don't buy that because it doesn't make sense. In that context, I think 'forever' is a figure of speech.

More recent scriptures indicate that all things must progress; for humans, that means coming ever nearer to God. Since God has command and a claim on us, all souls will return to Him, just not simultaneously.

If you were a non-believer in this life, you certainly won't be when you pass on; therefore, your progress depends on what you'd learned up to that point. You'd be crippled but you'd slowly inch forward toward God. It would seem like forever compared to those whose latent spiritual powers have been activated, so they fly on full tilt. The life of the crippled is like death to the high flyers; to them, the existence of the crippled is like non-existence. It's all relative.

That God is outside of time has nothing to do with His ability to see. One day, we each will be outside of time, which actually opens up a whole new panorama as if someone has taken the blindfold off.

For example, in hindsight, you instantly pass beyond time when reviewing one of your life events. The more often you review, the more easily the memory is accessed. The lesser things fade from instant recall and time seems to disappear but those events are never truly forgotten - they just go underground, into the subconscious.

When developing a vision of the future, time isn't a factor - you can see it in an instant because it's your wish. Of course, you can't be certain whether it's a dream or a destiny until after the fact; until then, only God knows.

We know that He knows because He sends help to attain those things. He's got a Perfect Plan in eternity, a grand scheme for mankind plus little plans for each individual He creates. For God, it's like pushing buttons but for us, it's like being blown around in the wind.

Here is some recent light on the subject of knowing:

"O SON OF THE THRONE! Thy hearing is My hearing, hear thou therewith. Thy sight is My sight, do thou see therewith, that in thine inmost soul thou mayest testify unto My exalted sanctity, and I within Myself may bear witness unto an exalted station for thee. "
~ Baha'u'llah

Our thinking seems to be diverging. I cannot see how a being outside of time, be it God or a will o the wisp, can be anything other than a static entitiy. That means no thought, no memory and no seeing new panoramas. All there'd be would be an instantaneous "present" moment. As an analogy, consider the difference between a single photograph and a video stream. You can look at the photograph until the cows come home but the image you're seeing will never alter. With the video stream, on the other hand, there is the prospect of change.

A God with a Perfect Plan, a grand scheme, who sends help isn't a being who's static. This is an entity who does things sequentially and thus requires the existence of time.

out of body people dont see thru their physical eyes, but see all

There are some mistakes on here, a god is just a god in lower case, God as the name of an imaginary god dreamt up in medieval times is with a capital. It is not a translation or a transliteration of the Hebrew name that it refers to and Allah that Zanjan, the religious equivalent of a fence sitter, who Zanjan is a big fan of is a god, not God, who has Muslims that believe that it’s totally acceptable to slit the throat of an animal to bleed it to death slowly so long as you make a blessing also. Then there’s the bloody veils. God is not a translation or a transliteration of Allah. Every religious god with no origin is an imaginary god. Lori too should use capitals, the word though and full stops at all times. Out of body experiences are hallucinations and/or odd dreams or daydreams. Why was the word sequentially actually used ?

Anyway I feel like making a kids book named ‘Where’s (insert the name of the god here) ?’, just like ‘Where’s Wally ?’ except that on each page there is no god there whatsoever just like the fact that each religious god is nowhere at all. Each page will have religious leaders and other followers that aren’t made up if I ever make the book. I just added this in as an afterthought. There is no such thing as a perfect god even if at least one god around somewhere right now that we don’t know about and of course don’t know the location of, that at least is possible, it doesn’t mean that it’s not possible that there isn’t even one god too.

OK, so where do "out of body people" go when they're outslde their body? Do they become electromagnetic radiation that makes a beeline for whatever tickles their fancy, or are we talking cosmic pathways throught other dimensions?

The God people tell us God is perfect, so who's got the nerve to go fifty rounds with Ken Ham in the hold of his Ark?

Of course, what the God people say about God can seem out of this world. Like, for instance, that He's this goofball that's got no past or future because otherwise that would suggest He was less than complete. Can't have a bit of Him lost in the past, nor another bit waiting to arrive from the future, so He's all in the present.

Which means time has to be kicked out of touch.

when out of body you can prank friends, spy on anyone, go anywhere, other dimensions as many have.....some have said they cant even describe other dimensions as they are so beautiful and amazing, there are guides and helpers if you get scared or lost

some out of body hang around, meet their dead friends and relatives, help the newly dead get used to the non physical, get advice

Doesn't sound as if there's much need for God in the afterlife.

God is busy creating lollll

At the earliest, even though I cannot find anything with the name God this far back, the name God at best bet was used 1,412 years ago. The first people to use the name were those that lived in The Kingdom of Kent and The Isle of Wight or at least I think so. Outside of a guess of which part of Britain used the name first, which is something that will never be known, I can only go visually off the earliest known thing that it can be seen on. Before that the name for a god in what is now named Britain was Tiw or Tiwe or Tiwa it was also the word for any god as well. This was only the case where Saxons, Angles, Jutes and Frisian ruled with their pagan polytheist beliefs that by 597 AD,

The Dark Ages of The Middle Ages became in that year an area where in Kent and The Isle of Wight some people were converted to Latin Christianity by Latin missionaries including the first Archbishop of Canterbury even though some may argue that a Frankish Bishop who lived in Canterbury decades before that was which is possible even though it would mean that he only got that ranking after the mission. A year before the mission there was possibly some that were converted there then left Christianity in the same year by the first mission that was a failure by the same missionaries who did have success one year after the first mission. Then a year after all of that quite a large part of the Human population of The Isle of Wight and of Kent became Christians of the Latin named god Deus which was also the word for any god. So as an example where English is used incorrectly is when someone claims that the God of ancient Egypt was named Ra, it should be that the god of ancient was named Ra. Putting God then Ra is just claiming that the god was named God and Ra.

Anyway decades before the successful mission the King of Kent married a Frankish princess who was into Latin Christianity and she herself brought with her to Kent a Frankish Bishop to perform religious services, a small Chapel was built just for them. Even though I used the word decades it may have been even only 10 years before the mission. They too used Latin Christianity. In other parts of Britain at the time and before that as well as in all of what is now Ireland Latin Christianity was around and it was around there before that, the Latin name as well as any local Celtic name was used. Every religious god is made up and no one has really had an out of body experience at all. The name God and the word god came about after swapping Deus and deus, the idea of the name and the word came from areas of Pagan polytheist Germanic speaking Europeans where Got, Gaut and so on were used. Exactly when and how the influence of those people influenced those in Britannia so much that a new name and word came about from it is unknown and will remain unknown. I’m trying to work out why sound and Him were used in the context that they were used on here.

Ghost: “With the video stream, on the other hand, there is the prospect of change.”

Who says you can’t replay a video stream? Your analogy doesn’t seem to fit. What purpose would there be in suspended animation?

Aren’t you a nihilist? If you think the end is obsolescence, there wouldn’t be anything. Just a big black nothing. That entities exists right now demonstrates purpose, which is evidence against nihilism. God uses everything He made; He doesn't like to waste anything.

There is movement in eternity. Time has nothing to do with that because it’s a spiritual reality.

“This is an entity who does things sequentially and thus requires the existence of time.”

What God does has nothing to do with how WE perceive. The perception of time is a human construct applied to the physical plane – when there’s no sun to rise and set, one doesn’t know if a physical day has passed or not. Yet progression occurs, here and in eternity.

Re: Out of Body experiences. This is the intellectual arena. The individual temporarily becomes "detached" from their own physical presence; as their soul switches to a different phase, they become unaware of their physical body. They also become unaware of time.

One hasn't really "gone" anywhere - it's an exploration of one's own subconscious mind, which can also sense the presence of other minds. However, the mind has its limitations so this trip has its limitations as well. We don't write the rules for it. We have very little control over where it takes us.

They're just tiny windows to an increasingly deeper plane, not something to guide one's life. There's not a lot to say about it and no way to verify the event for others unless one is having a NDE - triggered by physical trauma. In a way, an OBE is a 'little death', not something to be toyed with.

Suffice to say, it's evidence we really don't need our physical bodies to exist; however, this physical plane does have its purpose.

I'd caution that some individuals have been known to capitalize on that with a ton of embellishment and woohooey because they're trying to sell a book/club membership.

If you want to know where God is, don't follow people's flights of fancy, follow the world's scriptures - they all agree.

They all agree that they believe that their god or that their gods are around somewhere right now even though they can't prove it just like you can't prove that anyone has had an out of body experience. I think that if I ate magic Mushrooms then I might believe it, I'm not foolish enough to do that though. The idea of the name God never came from Christianity, it came from those that thought that Germanic gods were around, that idea sometimes with a Got, Gaut and so on as a name and as a word of God came to the Deus named god believers of Britain who before that, maybe as long ago as 1,412 years ago were introduced to the name Got or Gaut or whatever abroad then later came up with a similar name for the Latin Christian god that they were for, so they then changed the name to God.

Every religious god is made up. Why did you use a hyphen ? A god is really whatever someone wants the made up god to be.

Am I a nihilist, or just someone who has a hard time accepting that there's a spiritual plane? I guess the answer depends on one's point of view. Some people see God everywhere and others, like me, just can't get a fix on Him. On occasion I hear foxes at night and sometimes see one, so I have good grounds for thinking they're in residence near by. On the other hand all I have to make me think God exists is one old book and the unsupported testimony of people claiming to have received a vistit from him. Well we know old books, and a lot of modern ones too, aren't necessarily reliable, and even sane people have delusions, so I'm left thinking that a little more evidence is required before I start chanting: "God is great!"