FAITH (Page 8)  Another, unbiblical word. I think that I have find your problem!!🤔🤔 Your problem is that you don't understand that Jesus Christ Himself was with God in Heaven. Hmm!! Interesting isn't it!! Well let me help you understand a little more about who Jesus is. Do you remember that Jesus said, that He was before Abraham? So, if He was before Abraham, then He must be in Heaven already in the Old Testament. Then Proverbs 8:22-31 is Jesus Christ that it is talking about. At that time Jesus was only a Spirit just as all the other spirits in Heaven. Now, I pray for God to open your mind. Just give yourself now to Jesus Christ and He will open your mind. When man sin, there was already a plan making for Jesus Christ to come down to redeem us, because there was nobody that are able to free us from sin. When the time that has come, Jesus was given a body flesh and bones. How? Through the POWER of God. God Spirit (Breath/Mind). And now John used this word "word", as a person, because in the Old Testament it was Jesus Christ that has spoken to all in the Old Testament. That's why he can proclaimed that he saw Him and touched Him(Jesus Christ) with his own eyes and hands. John 1:1-18. Conclusion the word "WORD" is Jesus Christ Himself. Yes! Jesus Christ is God, but He is NOT the God. This title THE GOD, is ONLY for God the Father. Go read through my pages this time with only your Bible. So now you are just making up pure lies about what I've posted, huh? re: "Your problem is that you don't understand that Jesus Christ Himself was with God in Heaven." STOP LYING! I never had that ^^ problem. I have already made it perfectly clear using Biblical verses that before Jesus existed as Jesus, that He was referred to as The Word & that He always existed with The Father & with The Holy Ghost/Spirit in heaven. Stop lying by pretending that I did not know that fact. re: "Well let me help you understand a little more about who Jesus is." STOP LYING! You aren't helping me to understand what I have already explained perfectly clearly to you multiple times. re: "When the time that has come, Jesus was given a body flesh and bones. How? Through the POWER of God. God Spirit (Breath/Mind)." You aren't enlightening me with ANY information that I haven't already shown to you using biblical verses. Your problem is that you aren't intelligent & honest enough to know & admit that The Holy Ghost/Spirit IS God--just NOT The Father" & NOT "The Word/Son/Jesus". Your absurd belief is that somehow The Holy Ghost/Spirit is NOT God--which is just dumb & dishonest on your part. re: "Conclusion the word "WORD" is Jesus Christ Himself. Yes! Jesus Christ is God, but He is NOT the God. This title THE GOD, is ONLY for God the Father." WRONG! God = The Father, The Word/Son/Jesus, & The Holy Ghost/Spirit. I have never asserted that The Holy Ghost/Spirit was or is "The Father" or "The Word/Son/Jesus". Your ability to understand English must be very weak, or you are just a liar. re: "Go read through my pages this time with only your Bible." I've read all the erroneous things that you've posted & corrected them, but you are not intelligent & honest enough to understand & admit the truth that BS & myself have shared with you. Just incredible! (Edited by zeffur) The problem is that Jesus Christ was NEVER existed with the Father God. Jesus Christ has a beginning, but God the Father was always!! So I am not lying what you have says. Show me from the Bible where Jesus was always? re: "m_leonora1111: The problem is that Jesus Christ was NEVER existed with the Father God." Wrong again. Jesus Christ is with God (The Father) now in heaven & He is seated at His right hand. He was also always with God (The Father) & God (The Holy Ghost/Spirit) before He became God (The Son/Jesus Christ) in the flesh. Prior to being human, Jesus Christ was referred to as The Word--who was always God & with God (The Father) & God (The Holy Ghost/Spirit/Comforter). Jesus Christ was & is God (The Word/Son/Lamb of God) in the flesh. Yeah, you have definitely lied, exactly as I state in my other comment. Now you are lying again that you were not lying. (Edited by zeffur) Proverbs is a book about WISDOM that was written by King Solomon. Proverbs 8 is describing WISDOM--NOT the creation of God (The Word) or God (The Son/Jesus)--which you very likely incorrectly believe is true. God (The Word) was always in existence with God (The Father) & God (The Holy Ghost/Spirit). Jesus' physical fleshly manifestation was/is God (The Word) that was made flesh by the power of God (The Holy Ghost/Spirit caused Mary to be pregnant). So, as you can see, you are wrong, again--as usual. Read this article & you will see how you've been duped into believing a false belief from long ago: https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/proverbs-822-about-creation-of-christ/ re: Jesus Sacrifice for Atonement: re: "harpalycus47: And the response to your reply is that it is nonsense. God could choose to do it that way. But how was it necessary for him to do it. That is the question that you have not answered." As I have already stated to you in the past, God chose to establish a 2 phase atonement process that required a blood sacrifice. The 1st was in the OT & the 2nd was in the NT. re: "harpalycus47: Why was it necessary to crucify his son?" Jesus was the sacrificial Lamb for the those that will be saved. It was necessary to offer a blood sacrifice & Jesus was it. You are wrong again. I told you many times that your teaching, is from man without the Holy Spirit OF God. They have an unknown spirit in their body that they call him god holy spirit. But in literally, it is Satan demons 😈 are in your body. Aslong that you ignore the difference between God Holy Spirit, and Spirit OF God is not the same thing. You can never find the truth. I will start write now a little about who is wisdom in Proverbs. Then you will learn what is the true atonement. Zeffur, if you will learn about the atonement, you can search 3 months ago: Was the Atonement FINISHED at the Cross. Go learn, use only your Bible God is a general deity name that people have used for a very long time that refers to The Father, The Word/Son/Jesus Christ, & The Holy Ghost/Spirit/Comforter/Spirit of Truth. The Holy Ghost/Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, The Comforter, etc are all valid names for the same Being that is a member of The Godhead that is mentioned in The Bible. It is not The Father & it is NOT the Word/Son/Jesus Christ--but it is of God & it is God. It has no other origin. It also does the will of The Father. Your denial of that ^^ truth is not of God. You very likely have a demonic spirit hindering your proper apprehension of these facts. You probably got your demonic spirit from a fake Christian cult that you follow. Your false belief to the contrary is NOT sound Christian belief or doctrine. (Edited by zeffur) Do the Bible say that we have a general God? Show me chapters and verses where it is written!! Galatians 1:1-10!! This is what happening with all the trinitarians and ungodly person. Where in the Bible, I can read any letters of the Apostles and the whole Bible, that God is general? It is difficult for you to understand the difference between two person are one. When Jesus Christ said that He and His Father is one, He means in everything. A man and a woman became one, when they marry. So this one s symbolic my friend. Show me in the Bible, where I can read that Jesus said, that He and His Father and the Holy Spirit are one? Chapters and verses!!🤔🤔🤔 "a general deity name" and "a general God" are NOT the same things. Are you really that bad at understanding/comprehending English, or are you just intentionally dishonest & evasive?? Oneness in The Bible refers to unity in intent & purpose. The Father & The Son/Jesus Christ are not exactly the same in every way. Jesus & The Holy Ghost/Spirit do the will of The Father--not the other way around. There are differences between the members of the Godhead, but they are all ONE in unity (intent & purpose). You are a confused & dishonestly posturing person... Here is a good way to visualize the Godhead: Image (Edited by zeffur) The Holy Spirit is not a God, when can you realize that?????? Answered my questions!! Stop hiding after your false Trinity doctrine. CHAPTERS AND VERSES!! Galatians 1:1-10.  The Godhead exists in TWO PERSON. 1. God the Father 2. Jesus Christ the Son. The Holy Spirit, IS THEIR SPIRIT. IT IS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS CHRIST SELF IN US. The "US" is we that don't have a strange god holy spirit in us. But you trinitarian have a strange god spirit in your body that isn't Jesus or the Father, and you called it also holy, and you don't even know this spirit his name. In the whole Bible we cannot read any title written that this god holy spirit has spoken with God or Jesus!! Do you see that your teaching is not Biblical!! Just plucking verses here and there and building a whole Hollywood fantasy scene fiction comics upon it. Neglected the Word of God in the Bible, to follow pluckers that plucking verses here and there. Galatians 1:1-10. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 Show me in the Bible where Jesus said that He and His Father and the Holy Spirit are three?? CHAPTERS AND VERSES!!🤔🤔🤔🤔 Wrong again--as usual. God is Spirit. Before God became flesh, there was God (The Father, The Word, & The Holy Spirit). They were ALL SPIRIT & ALL God! Here is a graphic image that shows their relationship to each other: Image Then God (The Word) became flesh as God (Jesus) via God (The Holy Spirit), who caused Mary to be with child that also contained the Spirit of God. Your cultish belief is NOT Biblical & it is NOT sound Christian doctrine. You have been shown via Bible verses that you are WRONG! Stop trying to deceive people with your irrational & indefensible beliefs! (Edited by zeffur) “GOO TO YOU” BY EVOLUTION IS NONSENSE The world has been deceived and will suffer the consequences. It no longer fears God and yet God’s Word tells us: “The beginning of wisdom is to fear God.” “If you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God. For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth comes knowledge and understanding; He stores up sound wisdom for the upright; He is a shield to those who walk in integrity, guarding the paths of justice and watching over the way of His saints.” Proverbs 2:1-8 “Beware that you do not forget the LORD your God by not keeping His commandments, His judgements, and His statutes which I command you today, lest-when you have eaten and are full, and have built beautiful houses and dwell in them, and when your herds and your flocks multiply, and your silver and your gold are multiplied, and all that you have is multiplied; … —then you say in your heart, ‘My power and the might of my hand have gained me this wealth.’ Deuteronomy 8:11-13, 17 “And you shall remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day. Then it shall be, if you by any means forget the LORD your God, and follow other gods, and serve them and worship them, I testify against you this day that you shall surely perish.” Deuteronomy 8: 18-19 Read what God told Israel: “Not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart are you going in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations the Lord your God is driving them out from before you, and that he may confirm the word that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.” Deuteronomy 9:5 Who controls kings: “The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, like the rivers of water; He turns it wherever He wishes. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the hearts.” Proverbs 21:1-2 All will eventually acknowledge the Lord: “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD’s, and He rules over the nations.” Psalm 22: 27-28" by Ron Edwards Ron Edwards is a man teachings by his own thinking. He is not inspired by God. Ron Edwards is your master not mine. My teachers are only in the Bible. Start by Genesis till Revelation. All that I wrote, you can find it CHAPTERS and VERSES. My questions are still open. Show me chapters and verses where Jesus said that He and His Father and the Holy Spirit are three in one? I will read exactly how it is written in John 17. We are living exactly in the time that Jesus Christ foretold us what will happen in the last days. Matthew 24. I'm gonna to write a new page completely that will start with a question. Prepare, and read your condition. There's no point in arguing with you M . You know not what you do I've already given the scriptures that state that Jesus is God the Son and together with God the Father and the Holy Spirit are ONE GOD. I asked you to explain the mystery within God's word of One God in three-persons with a better explanation? And you have failed! I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth: And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, Born of the Virgin Mary, Suffered under Pontius Pilate, Was crucified, dead, and buried: He descended into hell; The third day he rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost; The holy Catholic Church; The Communion of Saints; The Forgiveness of sins; The Resurrection of the body, And the Life everlasting. Amen. (Edited by Blackshoes) Black: Everything that I have write, you can see the explanation exactly how the Bible teaches. More then 100 times I have write what the Holy Spirit is. Now when I finished my page about trinitarian cannot receive the seal of God, if you are open for understanding, God will open your mind. I have ask a simple question. Do this people are trinitarian? Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12?!!🤔🤔 | Religion Chat Room 39 People Chatting Similar Conversations |