FAITH (Page 5) How about the following verses--how do you explain the term Godhead?? "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:..." Rom 1: 20 KJV "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Col 2:9 KJV You can go and take a look the truth about Matthew 28:19. Maybe you can learn how to let scripture interpret scripture!! I already have & I have shared the truth from The Bible with you & you have rejected it. What is your excuse?? Now that I have answered your question Biblical, and everybody that are guide by Jesus Christ and the apostles, have seen exactly what they have spoken and write. So for you and all other denominations, specially the trinitarians false teachers, that are ignoring the Biblical truth are two things for them. Galatians 1:1-10. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12. There are many more. Your trinitarian god Satan have succeeded again in your lifes. Exactly like in the beginning. True Christians from the Bible!! Wake up and always have Matthew 24 in your minds and heart. Jesus Christ said: "Even the "elect" can fall in Satan trap."! The trinitarians are already living in a lie of Satan, and there is no hope by staying in this false Trinity doctrine. Zeffur: You can go and read the complete answer of your question Matthew 28:19!! I hope that you are able to give your life completely to the only one true God and His Son. Leave your earth God holy father pope, and come to the only one true God!! I don't consider the pope anything other than a religious political figurehead. Why do you ignore & not give the Holy Ghost/Spirit proper recognition?? God is Spirit whether considered The Father, in the flesh as the Son + the Holy Spirit, or on the earth as The Holy Spirit? I don't work with consider!! I work with the Word of God. Do you have learn the TRUTH about Matthew 28:18-20? I think 🤔 😕 NOT!! Do you understand English? God doesn't work with politics and also church religious politics!! God has His own kingdom on earth, and it is us (true Sabbath keepers), that obey His laws!! Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12. Do you belong in this group of the true remnant of Christ? Go see on YouTube, the Origin of the Roman Catholic Church. Maybe you can see the truth of your supposed church fathers. I have given you MORE than enough Biblical scriptures to prove to you that The Holy Ghost/Spirit (which are the same being) exists. Your defect seems to be that you despise the term trinity (for no sound reason whatsoever in actuality) & you can't break yourself free of that fixation. You should pray for God (The Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) to free you of that confusion & fixation as it obviously hinders your life. I have no problem observing the Sabbath. What is your fixation on that? The fact that someone people observe it from F night to S night & others observe it just on Su? Do you know that Jesus violated the Jewish traditions about the Sabbath & said "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." Mat 12:8 KJV re: "Maybe you can see the truth of your supposed church fathers." Maybe you can stop trying to blame me for things that I don't do. I do not follow Catholic rituals. I believe in & follow God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. That is all that matters. Your fixations & false assertions are unimportant in the bigger scheme of things. You aren't even intelligent & honest enough to admit that The Holy Spirit exists, despite your irrational fixation on the word trinity. So, yeah, remove the plank in YOUR eye first so that you can clearly see that there is no plank in my eye. As it is, your vision is blurred & wrong, based on your erroneous claims. (Edited by zeffur) Go read what the Holy Spirit is my friend. Jesus didn't violate the Sabbath rules. He came to show us how to keep the true Sabbath day. Are you agree what the Bible says about Matthew 28:18-20? Or the Bible is lying about 'one God'? Because you trinitarians have 3 God's!! Which one is true? God is one (Father, Word, & Holy Ghost/Spirit) & then God decided to become flesh--now God is one in intent & purpose & in 2 forms. God also revealed & sent the Holy Spirit.. Now we know God is one in intent & purpose & 3 in forms. So, as usual, you have failed spectacularly to comprehend The Bible. The apostles weren't instructed to only baptize in the name of The Father & Son--they were instructed to baptist in the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost/Spirit. You can't weasel your way around that verse, no matter how much you try to ignore the verses in The Bible that clearly show that the Holy Ghost/Spirit exists. Your posturing is futile--but you don't seem to understand that reality. How's it working for you, so far? That's right--it isn't. It has proven you to be dishonest & posturing due to your hatred of a word "trinity" that just refers to the unity of the Godhead (Father, Son, & Holy Ghost/Spirit). Grow up--you are embarrassing Christians everywhere with your unwise incompetence & posturing... God is Spirit (Father, Word/Son, & Holy Ghost/Spirit) who is capable of creating a flesh version of Himself (Son/Jesus) & a Spirit form that He sent to Earth as the Spirit of Truth to dwell in many people. "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24 KJV You should glorify God by worshiping all forms of God (Father, Son, & Holy Ghost/Spirit) in Spirit--if you even have the Holy Spirit within you. From what I see, you have a hindering spirit within you. (Edited by zeffur) No!! God the Father is Jehovah, His Son is Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is THEIR SPIRIT. Can you read what is written in the Bible? Show me in the Bible where I can read from all the baptism that the apostles did in three persons? Give me chapters and verses!!🤔🤔 Jesus Christ is not Spirit my friend. Show me where in the New Testament, chapters and verses, that Jesus Christ is a spirit being!! You didn't answered all of my questions, why? Because you cannot find your teachings in the Bible. So simply truth!! How can you have the Holy Spirit in you, and it is a god that never has spoken with God the Father or Jesus Christ or both!! Amazing!! Your problem is that you are already hypnotized by this false Trinity doctrine. Now, everybody with an open mind and heart can see, how prophets have prophecies about yours love for keeping sin. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12!! I thank Lord that He have open my mind and heart, so that I have learn to only follow what is written in the Bible. Not man teachings by plucking verses here and there and building their own Hollywood fantasy movies. Completely out of context in the Bible!! Another prophecy has completed in the trinitarians life. Galatians 1:1-10 Answer all of my questions thoroughly & completely & then I will answer yours. You do not answer my questions because you do not have a sound position to base your erroneous beliefs on & you are afraid that people will think you are stupid for your obviously incorrect beliefs. Don't worry about that--we already have a pretty good idea about your intelligence level based on what you have failed to understand properly & what you have erroneously tried to deceive people to believe. (Edited by zeffur) I have answered all your questions. Are you agree what the Bible teach about Matthew 28:18-20? I think not!! Because your false Trinity god (Satan) has hypnotized you. Everybody that read through my pages, can see everything Biblical without any other names of things that don't exist in the Bible. Just like: Trinity, three gods in one, triune god, god holy spirit, secret rapture, 7 years tribulation with Jesus Christ on earth, etc. Man made false predictions. Galatians 1:1-10!! I'm here to protect those against what is not written in the Bible. Against false teachers and prophets. Against you that are already hypnotized. 2 Thessalonians 8:12!! No, you have NOT directly answered all of the questions that I have asked you. re: "I'm here to protect those against what is not written in the Bible. Against false teachers and prophets. Against you that are already hypnotized." Stop lying. I have already proven to you with Biblical verses that you are wrong. You are the one who is teaching false doctrine. The Holy Spirit/Comforter was sent to the apostles & lives in all those who accept God's truth. The Holy Spirit was also sent to cause Mary to be pregnant with Jesus & dwelled within Jesus as He does within all true believers & followers of God. (Edited by zeffur) You have proven me nothing. Aslong that you believe that God the Father is Jesus Himself and the Holy Spirit Himself, then you are ignoring the Father and His Son, and THEIR Holy Spirit. The trinity doctrine ignore God as the Father of Jesus Christ. How can it be that you people, can be created in the image of God, like we that have children are also fathers and sons, don't believe that God is the LITERAL Father of Jesus Christ?? Stop pretending to protect this false Trinity doctrine. Everybody that has read through my pages, knows that my teachings is just exactly how the Bible teaches. I never used something that isn't written in the Bible to make my own statement. Only the prophetic words, and the symbolically words in the Bible, I used the true meaning of them. Even Daniel that has received vision that he cannot understand, Gabriel the Archangel come to him, to revealed to him the meaning of the vision. You that have everything written in the Bible, cannot understand that the Bible interpreted itself!! Amazing!! And it is written in your language!!🤔🤔 Actually, you are wrong in YOUR beliefs. They all emanate from the source: GOD. 1. In the beginning was The Father, The Word, & The Holy Spirit--they were different aspects of ONE God. 2. Then the aspect of God called "The Father" caused the aspect of God called "The Word" to speak everything into existence. 3. Then the aspect of God called "The Father" caused the aspect of God called "The Holy Ghost/Spirit" to caused Mary to be pregnant with Jesus to make the aspect of God called "The Word" become flesh/man & be called "Jesus". 4. Then the aspect of God called "Jesus" prayed to the aspect of God called "The Father" to send the aspect of God called "The Holy Ghost/Spirit" into the world to be a Comforter & guide to His Apostles & later to all believers who would receive God's Spirit of Truth to become born again & ultimately change & be worthy of salvation in God's kingdom. 5. God is Spirit & has an image. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." Gen 1:26 KJV What is "our image"? It is the image of mankind because we were made in God's image--even though "...God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 Joh 1:5 Your unnecessary aversion to the term Godhead, trinity, triune, or any other term that humanity uses as an adjective to describe God's unity about His different aspects/parts/beings/persons/forms/etc is silly & it hinders your proper understanding of God's Word. re: "Everybody that has read through my pages, knows that my teachings is just exactly how the Bible teaches." Actually, that ^^ is a delusion that hinders you, sadly. re: "You that have everything written in the Bible, cannot understand that the Bible interpreted itself!! Amazing!! And it is written in your language!!" You are projecting YOUR dysfunction--not anyone else's problem. You are wrong & it isn't even debatable. I have already shown you the verses & you deny the truth that is plainly before you. That is a YOU problem. (Edited by zeffur) You are completely wrong with your false Trinity doctrine. Go and read Genesis 1:1-5 Who was moving upon the face of the water? Another god, or the Spirit OF God? In the beginning means that God was always, then far in the past Jesus come forth (word) and these TWO GODHEAD decided to start creation. God said let US!! Day one of creation. 2. I don't work with "aspect", where in the Bible, that I can read 'the aspect of God'? Galatians 1:1-10🤔 is written for you all that put things that isn't written in the Bible. 3. Are you saying that the Holy Spirit, God Himself, and Jesus Christ Himself, has having sex with Mary, and Jesus Christ Himself has born with flesh and bones? Amazing!! This teaching is from Satan himself!!😈👹 I don't need to write the other 4 and 5. Let's go to how you have put all your teaching in one place. According to the Trinity and Unitarian doctrines, Jesus Christ is the 'eternal, self-existent God'. Known as 'God the Son', viewing Him as the 'One God', even thinking Jesus is the Father also. But to believe that Jesus also is the 'Father' Himself is to believe that Jesus is the immortal God but died, is the invisible God that no man can see, but was seen, is as great (in authority) as His Father but said His Father is greater than He, is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God, came from Himself, prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself, thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself, went back to Himself, sits at the right hand of Himself, is His own Father and own Son, left Heaven and yet was there all the time. AND SO THE CONFUSION OF BABYLON CONTINUES! And the whole world is deceived. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12!!🤔🤔😐😐 Amazing isn't it!! I see that you are as confused as ever. Stop with the straw man fallacies. I never stated that Jesus was or is The Father. Your problem is that you don't know how to properly comprehend & describe the Holy Spirit aspect/entity/being of God in your goofy misunderstanding of The Bible. In your false belief, you somehow think that the Holy Spirit is not separate & one with The Father & Son--when in reality The Bible makes it very clear that The Holy Spirit can in fact go to Earth while The Father & Son are in Heaven. We know this because He caused Mary to be pregnant with Jesus & because He became the Comforter & guide to the Apostles & dwells within believers as the Spirit of Truth. "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luk 1:35 KJV That's how Mary became pregnant & protected by God. You don't seem to have read the whole Bible. Reread that verse carefully so you will actually know & remember the truth this time... re: "Go and read Genesis 1:1-5. Who was moving upon the face of the water? Another god, or the Spirit OF God?" The Spirit of God is in The Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. Was Jesus without a Spirit while he was on earth?? You seem to think so. Why would Jesus pray to The Father to send the Holy Spirit to the earth as the Comforter & guide to His disciples & for the faithful, if the Holy Spirit was incapable of going to earth while God & Jesus were in Heaven?? Obviously your belief is erroneous. The Holy Spirit is just as much of an aspect/entity of God as The Father & Word/Jesus are... re: "In the beginning means that God was always..." Wrong. The beginning refers to the time when God formed the universe & everything in it. God existed before that time always. We are NOT provided with God's activities prior to the creation of everything in the universe. re: " then far in the past Jesus come forth (word) and these TWO GODHEAD decided to start creation. God said let US!!" Wrong. The Father, His Word, & His Holy Spirit always existed. They obviously had to have a form for humans to be later on made in their image." Jesus later came into existence in human form via The Holy Spirit. I've already proven this above to you multiple times from Luke 1:35. re: " I don't work with "aspect", where in the Bible, that I can read 'the aspect of God'?" Aspect or entity or whatever other word that a person uses to describe the different aspects or entities of the Godhead are just reference words that are used to describe the obvious differences in the Godhead. It doesn't have to be stated exactly that way in The Bible. The Bible just describes the obvious differences in the Godhead. I only use such terms to help your kind of confused person to properly understand what you should have the good sense to understand, but apparently do not have the good sense to understand for some inexplicable & illogical reasons. re: "3. Are you saying that the Holy Spirit, God Himself, and Jesus Christ Himself, has having sex with Mary, and Jesus Christ Himself has born with flesh and bones?" Read Luke 1:35. It's not complicated. Even someone as obviously confused as you should be able to understand it. re: "I don't need to write the other 4 and 5." Of course you will ignore the truth. That's how you maintain your irrational delusions--by ignoring the truth of the verses that I have cited to you that clearly show the differences in the Godhead. Just bury your head in the sand & keep pretending, as you have been doing. (Edited by zeffur) So!! Are you saying that there is another spirit in the Holy Spirit??! Amazing!! Where can I read that the Holy Spirit have another Spirit in him. What is the name of this mysterious spirit in the Holy Spirit? Now is good!!🤔🤔🤔!! Christians have in their body: Their own spirit, a soul, Holy Spirit, and also a spirit in the Holy Spirit. A new teaching from the false Trinity doctrine. THE HOLY SPIRIT AS ANOTHER SPIRIT IN IT!!🤭🤭🤭. It sound like that we are viewing RIDICULOUS!! Don't you see that BS don't talk anymore? He know now that the trinity doctrine is a false and dangerous!! (Edited by m_leonora1111) re: "m_leonora1111: So!! Are you saying that there is another spirit in the Holy Spirit??! Amazing!! Where can I read that the Holy Spirit have another Spirit in him." Do you think being obtuse makes you clever? It doesn't--it reveals your confusion & unwillingness to accept what The Bible makes clear for everyone to see. The Father has attributes/functions/roles that are different from The Son & different from The Holy Spirit. We know this because Jesus did the will of The Father & because Jesus is seated at the right hand of The Father until The Father directs Jesus to implement the next part of His plan. The Holy Spirit was sent to the earth for the Apostles & the faithful, as well as to be the Spirit of Truth to all people of the world--whether they accept or reject it. The Holy Spirit is not seated at the right hand of The Father & The Holy Spirit is not The Father. That is more than enough information for us to know that there are different aspects/beings of God & that they are ONE in intent & purpose. re: "What is the name of this mysterious spirit in the Holy Spirit?" What we know is, The Father is that part/being of God with the will, master plan, & power to create & provide. The Word/Son/Jesus part/being of God was the voice that spoke everything into creation & did the will of The Father on earth for all mankind. The Holy Spirit is the part/being of God is the Spirit of Truth (also a voice of God) that Comforts & guides those who will receive God's truth. We also know that each person has a soul (life, emotions, etc) & a spirit that can be corrupted. The Spirit of Truth from The Holy Spirit can cause a person (who is willing to faithfully accept God's truth) to become born again & attain salvation. We also know that God is Spirit. How that division works exactly within the Godhead, we do NOT fully know. One thing is for certain though---YOU do NOT know--& that is part of the reason that you are so confused. What we can be certain of, is that the Spirit of God is ONE in intent & purpose. re: "Don't you see that BS don't talk anymore? He know now that the trinity doctrine is a false and dangerous!!" Some people don't have patience for your kind of erroneous prattle. I'm the type that makes things as clear as possible, so that others can read & know the truth that you refuse to accept --& to recognize & avoid your confusion & erroneous rubbish--when they read the truth for themselves by reading the Biblical citations & sound reasoning that I have provided in these forum pages. Your erroneous nonsense is easy to spot & people with good sense will reject all of it, once they know what is shown in The Bible. Comparing the Biblical truth to your obviously erroneous confusion, will allow any sane, honest, & intelligent person to know how wrong your position truly is. The rest of what you posted is obviously just more obtuse & ridiculous nonsense. (Edited by zeffur) | Religion Chat Room 32 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
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