CREATION (1) (Page 3)

GeraldtheGnome: You just made the same mistakes as you have always made since I first read anything from you. Jesus Christ came from nowhere, the name Jesus (when and where his name was first known to have been used) is the name of a claimed to exist son of a god, an alien creator god who lived in heaven and still does according to the myth, he also lives within everyone right now according to modern mythology. That’s the same heaven that there still is no evidence for or against that it really is out there right now somewhere. You still aren’t able to prove that there is a heaven and if you claim that the English Bible has that Jesus was born in heaven then you are wrong, even Blackshoes, Zeffur, every Christian and everyone else alive which maybe includes at least some of them (since I don’t know if the Russians use the name Jesus) in orbit who knows about the story where the Jesus name is used about the birth of ‘Jesus’ will disagree with you that it’s about a Jesus who was born in heaven. He was never born and that has been proven, I can even prove it.

I know what the word god means, the word god does not mean God, the name for a particular god is God. The Middle Ages is still when the earliest mentioned of God was so far as anyone still alive knows. I am not completely wrong, if you think that I am then prove that it is so. Nothing was created because if it is true that there was a creator then the creator had to have an origin otherwise he’s just another made up god.

Blackshoes:

GeraldtheGnome: You haven’t worked out that the theory of evolution has not been disproven, you haven’t worked out the theory of evolution is not about abiogenesis and you haven’t worked out that abiogenesis is different to spontaneous generation. You haven’t worked out that you are for spontaneous generation as well as things being created from nothing and you also haven’t out that there a god with no origin is a made up god. No god to create anything means that nothing was ever created and that your video meant nothing. Well done.

Blackshoes: Oh by the way Abiogenesis is spontaneous generation" !!!!
Just because academia likes to change the terms to suit their bias doesn't change a truth

a·bi·o·gen·e·sis
[ˌābīōˈjenəsəs]
NOUN
the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances:
"to construct any convincing theory of abiogenesis, we must take into account the condition of the Earth about 4 billion years ago"
historical
old term for spontaneous generation.

GeraldtheGnome: Your entire message was incorrect and it still is totally incorrect. It’s like atheism and agnosticism, you are too ignorant to notice that you are an agnostic atheist. Then again your source is far more inaccurate than wherever Zeffur gets his own definitions from which might be just from himself. Instead of being an arrogant ignoramus actually learn something off someone who disagrees with you, after all even Zeffur learnt something from me and now it should be your turn. Rather than use that silly definition again learn from your mistakes about what abiogenesis is about as I once did in your (blind) Faith forum.

It’s the truth not a truth by the way. Even the internet lurker should admit that if he is around. He thinks that his crap never stinks. Why do think abiogenesis is a form of evolution ? Unlike the conveniently added definition to what evolution means it’s not merely about the changing of something. If you believe otherwise then someone can tell someone that he or she has an evolved car because a better type of engine was put into it.

Now putting aside that there is no proof for or against that abiogenesis ever happened you should give me the reason why you and certain other people think that is about spontaneous generation. So instead of making that stupid claim that Zeffur and you make about it being impossible actually show the reason why you think that it’s about spontaneous generation. The weakness that you and your side has is that you all make a claim and think that each claim that each of you make or a claim that each of you find from someone else is the evidence that proves what is wrong and what is right. Without proof after a claim then the claim is possibly right if it isn’t disproven or a false claim if it has be proven. The claim isn’t proof. The Bible is a book mainly made up of claims.

m_leonora1111: Gerald, you think that you are the wiser person on this planet, and can teach everybody that you are the perfect Messiah that have the truth.

You are the only person in this that knows the existence of everything.

That means that you have make yourself a god, and we must obey your teachings, because you are the only perfect person in this world.

GeraldtheGnome: All of that is incorrect. Bob, Zeffur and you think that about yourselves, I don’t, I’m referring to the each sentence of yours. None of you challenge your own thoughts to actually find out if you are right, if all of you did then worked out what you are right about and what you are wrong about then all of you wouldn’t be delusional about what each of you are wrong about, you’d all know what each of you are possibly right about too.

GeraldtheGnome: I hope that Blackshoes will answer my questions about the last video on here. So far his dodged every question about it elsewhere.

Blackshoes:
Proverbs 26:4-5

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

GeraldtheGnome: But I’m not a fool preacher Bob, you though, that’s another story. You are a conceited fool preacher Bob. Spontaneous generation did not occur despite almost the entire Bible being about the imaginary outcome of that made up event. I’ve told you what I wanted to about that flawed video elsewhere.

GeraldtheGnome: No more false claims by both of you.

The13th: Johnny Deep 3:16 She sells sea shells on the seashore.

Blackshoes:
Proverbs 29:9

If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.


Matthew 7:26

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

GeraldtheGnome: Apart from the grammatical errors, the fact that you aren’t wise and imaginary creation that is believed to have happened there’s the other problem the authors of your favourite book were anonymous. People guess that Matthew wrote down what’s now referred to as his Gospel for example, that is the way it is preacher man.

Blackshoes:
John 7:38-40

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.

GeraldtheGnome: Lovely fantasy quotes there from the book of spontaneous generation and about a flat Earth.

Blackshoes:
Ephesians 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Romans 1:19

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

GeraldtheGnome: There is no Godhead, there is no god named God and there is no god of any kind that created at all.

Blackshoes:
Romans 1:22

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

GeraldtheGnome: The one being foolish is you. It would be wise if you cease to be foolish. For a start show me a Bible or anything else prior to 597 AD where you can see the name God spelt out with the letters G, o and d. Even those that introduced Christianity to everywhere where Christianity was introduced in areas where eventually the name God was used only started using the name God many after those Christian Missionaries that used Latin in their religious teaching to everyone. The mission started in 596 AD and ended in 597 AD. It took a while before the Frisians and those in what is now Britain to use the name God and the word god in anyway.

Godhead is a dumb term, claiming that invisible things can be seen is dumb too, so the anonymous author at the time was dumb at the time that he wrote it. If something is invisible then it can’t be seen, visible refers to what can be seen, putting in on the front of it refers to what can’t be seen. Everything known that is not a life form was not created from nothing. The Bible has within it claims that the Earth’s atmosphere, the Earth itself, everything on it and what’s beyond our atmosphere on the claimed to be flat Earth was created from nothing. Go and read it again, it’s literally written down in such a way. The verses about life magically being created by spontaneous generation are there too by a god with no origin. A god with no origin is a made up god.

Blackshoes: Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


John 3:18

: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

GeraldtheGnome: Genesis one : verse one. B'rëshiyt Bärä élohiym ët haSHämayim w'ët hääretz.

In the beginning ´Élöhîm created the heaven and the earth.

That was the original Hebrew with the English version with the Elohim bit (which really means gods, not God or god.) The translation into English got buggered up and it was assumed that Elohim meant another name for God and the word for a god. So it's not about a him, it's about them. For example later in on in it the book certainly has let us make man in our image, not I will make man in my image. There was no John, you see you are back to the anonymous author problem. The earliest still available version does not have who the author is so someone guessed who the author was. No one is condemned for not believing in an imaginary god. anyone who does believe that he is certainly around somewhere is fooling himself or herself. Since the god is imaginary so too is the falsely claimed to exist son of that god.

Since both of them are made up so too is every creation story in the book.

Blackshoes:

m_leonora1111: You say in the beginning. Who was before the beginning?

GeraldtheGnome: You made some mistakes there. There should be a space before the question mark, I know some don’t agree about that though. Each to their own. These are text messages so no one literally can say anything on here. There was no beginning, all that is claimed to have been created was not created and a god with no origin is an imaginary god.