Can Oral traditions of man supercede Gods Holy Scriptures? (Page 2) amoregrowers: That is a fact. Even Christianity says in Romans says " "faith come from hearing, and hearing comes through words of Christ" Paul is saying your faith exist because the oral tradition exist DontNeedChrist: The Oral Traditions DO NOT contradict the word of G-d. Again your unfounded opinion. Apokalupto: When the rabbis and sages are the ones who determine Jewish Law and not God and who are authorized to interpret Gods written word in the Bible even over the objections of the divine author Himself, and saying it matters little what God had in mind and that it is that this is the LORD Gods will is total blasphemy and total rejection of Moses and the word of God. DontNeedChrist: Both you and butttler base that on one microscopic slice of one man’s commentary on one single story that neither of you have ever read from the Talmud. Jews do not reject the Law of Moses. The Oral Tradition does not contradict the Written. You type your words out of hearsay, ignorance and knee jerk conclusions. Scroll up and read my post that fully agreed that the Oral Traditions DO NOT supersede the word of G-d. Get educated on the subject before spouting baseless and biased opinions. Apokalupto: They do when the rabbis and sages are the ones who determine Jewish Law and not God and who are authorized to interpret Gods written word in the Bible even over the objections of the divine author Himself, and saying it matters little what God had in mind and that it is that this is the LORD Gods will is total blasphemy and total rejection of Moses and the word of God. (Post deleted by DontNeedChrist ) butttler: DNC....--- this is word for word from the talmud you esteem as high or higher than Gods Holy Scriptures....bava metzia 59b... Gemara relates: Years after, Rabbi Natan encountered Elijah the prophet and said to him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do at that time, when Rabbi Yehoshua issued his declaration? Elijah said to him: The Holy One, Blessed be He, smiled and said: My children have triumphed over Me; My children have triumphed over Me. that small phrase right there makes the "whole Talmud"... NOT FROM GOD...for very simple reason if at any point sinful man can triumph over God....then God is no longer all-powerful...and no longer The One True God...please DNC i hope you can see this and come before God maybe in private setting and repent and ask God to restore you....bible says He wants to save He does not want to condemn Apokalupto: Every time he didn't have an answer to us "Christians" he'd consult the oral traditions and they always contradicted the Bible, I can't remember a time when they didn't, and of course there was no explanation for that either. DNC and his friends are the ones who have ALWAYS relied on the oral traditions to explain their side, so my question is, if the oral traditions don't contradict the written scripture, why every time you pull it out it contradicts it? Zanjan: Amoregrowers wrote: “Did not Jesus have a inner group of three disciples?” Not that I can tell. He hand-picked all of His disciples so, each offered an equally important service. There was a “beloved” disciple (unnamed in the texts) but no indication there was any office involved. Jesus had no confidant except God; all the disciples served as news-bearers. I don’t see that Jesus was guilty of favoritism – that would be a sign of disunity. Men play that game, not Revelators. Jesus renamed Simon “Cephas”, which meant “stone” in Aramaic. In Greek it was “Petros”, which meant “pebble”…..whereas, petra meant “boulder or cliff”. It’s not a title. The name describes the kind of spirit – it’s a spiritual name. Jesus wasn’t promoting him to an office or naming him as His successor. Christians have oral traditions as well - after 300 years, their perspectives and stories clashed terribly. Let’s not confuse the time periods. DontNeedChrist: AA - provide one example of my presenting any Oral tradition that contradicted written scripture. The ball is in your court. DontNeedChrist: Below is WRITTEN Torah scripture that shows how G-d expects man to interpret the Law and mete out justice. Genesis 9:6 – "Whoever sheds the blood of man THROUGH MAN shall his blood be shed, for in the image of G-d He made man." Deuteronomy 16:18 – “You shall set up judges and law enforcement officials for yourself in all your cities that the Lord, your G-d, is giving you, for your tribes, and THEY shall judge the people [with] righteous judgment.” Deuteronomy 17:9 – “And you shall come to the Levitic Kohanim (the priests) and to the judge who will be in those days, and you shall inquire, and THEY will tell you the words of judgment.” Deuteronomy 17:10 – “And you shall do according to the word THEY TELL YOU, from the place the Lord will choose, and you shall observe to do according to all THEY INSTRUCT YOU.” Deuteronomy 17:11 – “According to the law THEY INSTRUCT YOU and according to the judgment THEY SAY TO YOU, you shall do; you shall not divert from the word THEY TELL YOU, either right or left.” Deuteronomy 17:12 – “And the man who acts intentionally, NOT OBEYING THE KOHEN (priest) who stands there to serve the Lord, your G-d, or to the judge that man shall die, and you shall abolish evil from Israel.” I have contradicted nothing from the written scriptures. (Edited by DontNeedChrist) butttler: Dear DNC--- your last post here only deflected the ball that was put in your court....we gave you word by word examples of how you have used talmud or tradtions of man that are so against God and His word and you did not respond to that...please try to do better than defect...thank you DontNeedChrist: Specifically what contradictions are you referring to? I see nothing in your posts. Nothing is good enough for you people. It’s just denial after denial. amoregrowers: There are multiple instances where the NT tries to validate itself using quotes from oral tradition. Would you like examples? butttler: dnc...referring back to bava metzia59b..i posted part of it word for word..which in its wisdom is blasphemous...then XP posted word for word your own post of a talmudic scholar you esteem about bava metzia 59b...again even deeper blasphemy ...and you refuse to acknowledge nor respond to either.....please try not to deflect...thank you amoregrowers: Is all of the Christian docterin in NT from previous scripture or does it involve oral tradition? IT INVOLVES ORAL TRADITION! DontNeedChrist: I explained it in my PM to you. You admitted not even reading the whole thing. One commentary from one commentator from one story from the Talmud fails to make your case. Move on from that dead horse. My points have been proven with scriptural evidence. The Talmud and the Oral tradition are not on trial here and I have no obligation to defend it especially to the likes of you. You ask questions, I answer sincerely then I’m called a liar. This is a circus side show. (Edited by DontNeedChrist) Apokalupto: The scriptures never give authority to anyone, priest or not, to contradict what God has said in the Bible, that's the issue. No you don't have an obligation, if you don't have an answer, then fine, just say so. DontNeedChrist: They do. If you would read my posts you would learn something instead of being hellbent on disagreeing with every thing I state. Apokalupto: XP- "The scriptures never give authority to anyone, priest or not, to contradict what God has said in the Bible, that's the issue." "They do." -DNC So you do believe that God gave authority to contradict His own word in the Bible? Well, we're making progress, at least you admit it openly. amoregrowers: Matt 2:23 "that he may be called a Nazerine" this is nowhere in Torah or anywhere in OT. This must have originated from a oral tradition. 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