GOD uses David to foreshadow the Messiah

Apokalupto: Ezekiel 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Ezekiel 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.


I am not going to try to give exact dates, but-

King David lived about 1000 BC

Ezekiel lived about 600 BC

King David has been dead for some time as you can see.


God in the passages above is explaining that His coming Shepherd, which is a reference to the Messiah, is King David. It is obviously not King David because he is dead and Jesus is alive.

These passages prove that God is using King David as a type or foreshadow of the coming Shepherd/Messiah and of course descend from David.

The psalms of David, and not the psalms of David only, but the rest of the books recording his deeds are all applicable in understanding the Messiah on a deeper level. If God says He will raise up David as Messiah, we can look at Davids life to see what the Messiah was foreshadowed by. The life of the beloved King David and his deeds are a prophetic sketch of the Messiah of the WORLD - Jesus Christ, who is Salvation, the only begotten beloved Son of God.

IntercessorGinger: Yes indeed

Apokalupto: Feel free to post a verse or psalm from the book of psalms about Jesus.

Apokalupto:

Psalms 22:15  My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. (The death of the cross and when Jesus said "I thirst!" as He hung there)

Psalms 22:16  For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. (The dogs are those who mocked Jesus while He was on the cross, and the Romans who put Him there. They pierced His hands and His feet as you would on a cross)

Psalms 22:17  I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. (They would have broken Jesus legs to kill Him but they found that He was already dead. This is actually a fulfillment of keeping the Passover Lamb as they were not allowed to break its bones. Exodus 12:46  In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.)

IntercessorGinger: Thou Art my son today I have begotten thee Psalms 45:67

DontNeedChrist:

#1. That's Psalm 2:7 NOT 45:67.

#2. Psalm 45 only has 17 verses.

#3. It's David WRITING ABOUT HIMSELF.

#4. CONTEXT OF VERSE:
"I will tell of the decree; The Lord said to me (DAVID), "You are My son; this day have I begotten you."

#5. It's DAVID. Not jesus, not the Messiah. Not future tense. Not foreshadowing. It's past and present tense. CONTEXT!

The manipulation of Hebrew scripture is obscene and is being called out.

DontNeedChrist:

Compare to these passages:

Concerning Solomon:
II Sam. 7:14 –
“I will be to him a father, and he shall be to Me a son.”

Concerning David:
Ps. 89:27 –
“He shall call Me, ‘You are my Father, my G-d, and the Rock of my salvation.’”

Concerning Israel:
Exodus 4:22 –
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the Lord: Israel is My son, My first-born.”

None of these verses are about jesus or the Messiah. They are about Solomon, David and the nation of Israel. Call it foreshadowing, what is it really? Text tampering. Shameful.

Apokalupto: Of course it's about Jesus, the OP proves that God always meant to use David as a type of the future Messiah, they're not "just about Davids fewings".

Prophecies don't always come in future tense, in fact they are spoken in present and past tense, the NT is no different. So what day was David born? Not the day he wrote the psalm, his name doesn't even appear in chapter 2 you inserted it there because you need it to be there.

Psalm 2 These verse are about the Messiah who will inherit the gentiles, and who will rule with a rod of iron, so yes actually the context that of the LORDs Messiah, Jesus Christ.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.


8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.


9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.


Also, verse numbers aren't inspired, nice try though. Maybe you should go back to "folios"

IntercessorGinger: Sorry..Psalms 2:7.. very convoluted to pretend he's talking about himself

Apokalupto: Ginger, I knew you made a typo as to the verse number, I understood you though. He's made it his job to find fault where there is non so he can look like he's "correcting" us Christians. Sigh.

DontNeedChrist:

I found fault because there was fault. Just own it.

IntercessorGinger: That means agree with you...and I don't.

DontNeedChrist:

You cited the wrong psalm. You don't agree with that? Whatever.

Apokalupto: She corrected it, it's not a big deal, it was an honest mistake. No need to get upset about it.

DontNeedChrist:

I also pointed out that it is in fact David writing about himself:

"I will tell of the decree; The Lord said to me (DAVID), "You are My son; this day have I begotten you."

She said it's "convoluted" that he would be referring to himself. The text is clear.

You disagree just to be obstinate at the expense of honest dialogue. Nobody's upset, I assure you.

Apokalupto: And yet you are ignoring the OP, and ignoring the context, verses 8 & 9, and inserting the name of David into the text when it does not appear once, and consequently ascribing things that only the future Messiah will do onto David who did not do it. It therefore a prophecy and not even a foreshadow. The tense is not important since prophecies come in past and future.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance,(This is only said of the Messiah) and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession. (This also is only said about the Messiah.)

9 Thou shalt break them (Break who? The verse above says what, the uttermost parts of the earth, and the gentile nations and kings which David never did)

with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. (Referring to destroying the enemies of the LORD, the gentile kings and nations worldwide who are against Him)

And as I said, you indeed inserted the name of David when it does not appear there once, nor does the immediate context support it, it supports the Messiah. I'm not sure what you are saying can even be called an interpretation, it's just a rejection of the word.

DontNeedChrist:

Only inserted it as a guide. The context clearly shows it's David speaking in first person. But why pay attention to context? That just does a disservice to your agenda.

Apokalupto: If you have to ignore the rest of the context which is provided above to make this about David to prove your point, maybe you have an agenda? OP still answers that question anyway. While speaking of context you're actually disregarding it this whole time. The chapter and surrounding verses tell us who it is, there's no getting around that David doesn't make the cut, if he did it would be demonstrable using scripture, but it just doesn't apply to David, that's why it's ~really~ talking about the Messiah even if David is the author.

DontNeedChrist:

David wrote almost all the psalms. It's poetry. It's a record of his feelings, emotions, thoughts and prayers regarding his life. There are no prophecies in psalms. You seize on keywords like son or pierce (which isn't even in that psalm). The Hebrew word used is k'ari which means like a lion. That is consistent with the animals he uses as metaphors for his enemies that were pursuing him. You say tense doesn't matter which is completely false. It matters just as much as in any language. You don't know Hebrew. You don't know what you're talking about.

Your compulsion to constantly manipulate and misrepresent the Tanach to crowbar your man/god in it is a ridiculous waste of time. Go and toy with the qu'ran or some other bible for a change. Give us all a break. You cannot see how foolish your behavior is. Quite sad and pathetic.

Apokalupto: Sticks and stones may break my bones but insults and words may never hurt me, nor does it change the text to suit your needs. Maybe you should check -your- feelings. Lol.

DontNeedChrist:

Very mature. What a waste of time engaging in intelligent conversation with you. Sticks and stones really? Kindergarten.

Apokalupto: You obviously have nothing to add to the topic but insults and emotional outbursts when you are proven wrong on every point. I'm not sure what you consider to be "intelligent", maybe stick to your chatroom where you can kick people out when they have stronger arguments than yourself?. Id appreciate it if you left your attitude and trolling behavior outside.

Apokalupto: "There are no prophecies in psalms."-DNC

A true declaration of rejection of the word of God.

DontNeedChrist:

Sad thing is, in your zeal to look under every rock to find jesus in Psalms, you miss out on the true intent of David's precious writings. Sad indeed.