Transgender jews. (Page 2)

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firstdown857: SIR LOIN 59:22 He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, Knower of the unseen and the witnessed. He is the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
59:23 He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him.
59:24 He is Allah , the Creator, the Inventor, the Fashioner; to Him belong the best names. Whatever is in the heavens and earth is exalting Him. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
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firstdown857: SIR LOIN Song of Solomon 7 King James Version (KJV)
7 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.

4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.

5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.

6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!

7 This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.

8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;

9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.

10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.

11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.

12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.

13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.
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firstdown857
firstdown857: 59:22 He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, Knower of the unseen and the witnessed. He is the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.

59:23 He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him.


59:24 He is Allah , the Creator, the Inventor, the Fashioner; to Him belong the best names. Whatever is in the heavens and earth is exalting Him. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Yes, I know. One God in Islam, one in Christianity, one in Bahai, one in Buddhism. We all worship the ONE God so what's the difference?
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firstdown857
firstdown857: SIR Judaism, Christianity, and Islam may disagree, but Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad all agreed, bringing us the Message of Monotheism. These Prophets foretold and confirmed eachother's mission "to serve God", as shown here.
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firstdown857: SIR :- Islam is the religion taught in its fundamentals by all the prophets. It is the religion which the first human being was instructed to follow. It is the religion of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and all other prophets (peace be upon them all) throughout the existence of human beings.

From the world view of Islam, most of the world's major religions originated in the pure religion of Islam itself and only through the teachings being lost, forgotten or wilfully corrupted have these religions changed. Judaism claims special status for the Jews as the chosen people - a status which cannot be acquired except through birth [1] and which makes a Jew superior to any non-Jew (goyim) whatever their beliefs. Christianity insists that you must believe in various doctrines which form the foundations of what is distinctively 'Christian' belief in order to be 'saved' (i.e. that Jesus (peace be upon him) died to atone for the sins of Mankind, that Allah is a trinity etc.). This doctrine, the (Catholic) church itself admits [2], didn't develop until several hundred years after Christ and so cannot possibly have applied to those before Jesus nor to his early followers. In contrast to this, Islam has at its core, a simple message which applies to all human beings before Muhammad (pbuh) and all after his time:

"...And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if you are truthful." Nay whoever submits his whole self to Allah and is a doer of good, he will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear nor shall they grieve."Qur'an 2:111-112

The word used in this verse for 'submits' is 'aslama'. It is from this verb that the word 'Islam' comes as 'the submitting'. Islam is a word that doesn't have any connection with an area or a particular character from history, it is the one and only truly universal religion and fittingly it has a truly universal name:

The word "Islam" means voluntary submission to the will of Allah
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: They can disagree all they want but it doesn't alter facts
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firstdown857
firstdown857: What is the facts ?
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firstdown857
firstdown857: Do you hold any facts? . Please inlighten me ?
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: I was under the impression Islam began with Muhammed, which makes it a relatively new faith. Judaism would be far older
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firstdown857: SIR LOIN Who is Christian?. ”If you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed:- If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. 1 Peter 4:14-16 .

The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch:- And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. Acts 11:26 .

Was Jesus Christian?:- The Christianity did not exist, when Jesus was on the earth. It was invented later on. ”And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch”. Acts 11:26
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firstdown857
firstdown857: SIR LOIN hristianity, Judaism and Islam.God did not choose the word ”Christianity or Judaism”, but He has chosen the word ”Islam”.

One Lord, one faith
5one Lord, one faith; Ephesians 4:5 .

[ Qur’an 2:213] The people used to be one community when GOD sent the prophets as bearers of good news, as well as warners. He sent down with them the scripture, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes. Ironically, those who received the scripture were the ones who rejected any new scripture, despite clear proofs given to them. This is due to jealousy on their part. GOD guides those who believe to the truth that is disputed by all others, in accordance with His will. GOD guides whoever wills in a straight path.

[Qur’an10:19] The people used to be one congregation, then they disputed. If it were not for a predetermined word from your Lord, they would have been judged immediately regarding their disputes.

[Qur’an 23:53-54] But they tore themselves into disputing factions; each party happy with what they have. Therefore, just leave them in their confusion, for awhile.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: The facts are. All worship one God.
All descend from Abraham
Most revere the same prophets
All began in the same general region.

So why can't everyone just get along? Why kill each other in the name of the same God?
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firstdown857
firstdown857: SIR LOIN SUPOSE TO BE .
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firstdown857: SIR LOIN. DO U EXPECT ME TO WORSHIP TRUIN GOD?
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: I don't expect anyone to do anything but I do hope everyone will open their eyes
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firstdown857
firstdown857: SIR LOIN :- Jesus Christ , a Jew for Allah....

Jesus a Jew by race, was a Muslim by religion, A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught.
Regarding the Islamic teachings of Jesus:

Jesus called God "Alayho" in Aramaic.

Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10}

Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39}

Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-

35) as Muslims do.
Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting our will to God and Faith as Muslims do.
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firstdown857: SIR LOIN :- "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in:- heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator]." (Mark 13:32)
Jesus taught he is just a servant of God as Muslims are:
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]
Jesus said the word "Muslim" in Luke 6:40, and told others to be a Muslim:

Aramaic translated into Hebrew: "Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo."............

Translation in English: "No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."

In addition to the Bible confirming Jesus was a Jew for Allah, the Holy Qur'an also clarifies that Jesus followed Allah:

"And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." {Holy Quran 5:116}
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firstdown857: SIR LOIN .I'LL LEAVE U WITH THIS VEDIO :- The Throne of Allah - Mindblowing .

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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Cheers 😀
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Jaguar Essence
Jaguar Essence: Why can't they be "orthodox" like the cool ultra-cis-orthodox jews? (Speaking of transgenders)

People who have the same or similar ideas, views, perceptions, experiences, knowledge, and understandings gravitate towards one another to gather, to create societies that are clubs based on mind like to attain meeting of the minds.
The same goes with religion, ALL secular AND religions are man made clubs.

Imagine self appointed club regulators demanding and questioning why the Cosmology Club is not accept flat earthers in their club, and if they don't, the self appointed club regulators are creating the platform to question the Cosmology Club' integrity an character of it's members.

Judaism has three clubs Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. The Conservative and Reform accept transgenders, a club has the right to decide to accept and decline who's going to be in their club.
Because you're not accepted in one club doesn't mean you can't go to another and enjoy the club experience.

In Judaism the expectations and demands are done to Jews ONLY, you won't see religious Jews rallying non-Jews should follow as we do. A religious Jew has to become aware, independently, one is responsible and accountable for one's religion, not the other way around. The religious has to come to a conclusion if s/he wants to be an Orthodox or not and they KNOW there're other branches of Judaism, in case they chooses to continue to be a religious, so a transgender is NOT isolated religiously.

With this being said, I don't understand your biased hypocrisy, bigotry dishonesty, and WHY would you give a damn if a group isn't accepted in a club or not. When you have your own club as an atheist, which some members of your club, like yourself, are publicly unapologeticly open in ridiculing and dehumanizing the religious' views and religious. Which is done with the same language, attitude, and behavior as radical religious assuming to have an absolute truth over all.

So the question is, WHY an atheist like yourself is intolerant to some or all religious, having higher expectations and demands on religious, which you don't even do, demand nor expect in yourself?

You asked the question of why Orthodox don't accept transgenders, my response is, Orthodox have the right to their own club AND they don't behave any differently than humans do, just like yourself...
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kylieMcNulty
kylieMcNulty: The bible even legalizes homosexuality but it is that asshole in the Vatican which said homos are scum, not the bible because wherein the whole bible does it say no gay love? know Eve came out of Adam and was female but actually the same as Adam because it says that God made humans to his image so god would be half woman and half man if that is true and transsexuals are 50/50 so why complaining
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Leda Muir
Leda Muir: At the heart of the claim that the Bible is clear "that homosexuality is forbidden by God" is a poor biblical scholarship and a cultural bias read into the Bible. The Bible says nothing about "homosexuality" as an innate dimension of personality. Sexual orientation was not understood in biblical times. There are references in the Bible to same-gender sexual behavior, and all of them are undeniably negative. But what is condemned in these passages is the violence, idolatry, and exploitation related to the behavior, not the same-gender nature of the behavior. There are references in the Bible to different-gender sexual behavior that are just as condemning for the same reasons. But no one claims that the condemnation is because the behavior was between a man and a woman.

There was no word in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek for "homosexual" or "homosexuality." These words were invented near the end of the 19th century when psychoanalysts began to discover and understand sexuality as an essential part of the human personality in all of its diversity. Consequently, it cannot be claimed that the Bible says anything at all about it. The writers of the Bible had neither the understanding of it nor the language for it.

There is only one reference to sexual behavior between women, and that is in Romans 1:26. The context of this reference has to do with Gentiles rejecting the true God to pursue false gods; i.e., idolatry. And, the sexual behavior described is orgiastic, not that of a loving, mutual, caring, committed relationship. What is condemned is the worship of false gods.

Sexuality is a wonderful gift from God. It is more than genital behavior. It's the way we embody and express ourselves in the world. But we cannot love another person intimately without embodying that love, without using our bodies to love. And that does involve genital behavior. Sexual love is for the purpose of giving and receiving pleasure with our most intimate partner. It is a means of deepening and strengthening the intimate union that exists. This can only be healthy and good if our behavior is consistent with who we are and with whom we love, and when we are true to our own sexuality and orientation.

In regard to marriage, it's important to remember that the Bible was written in a patriarchal culture that assumed men were in control and women were subject to them. Marriage was not an equal partnership, but a matter of a man owning a woman or women as property. Women provided men companionship, children and labor. Certainly, love between the man and woman or women could develop, but love was not the basis of marriage. Consequently, the biblical concept of marriage is not appropriate today. We no longer accept the inferiority of women and the superiority of men. We no longer accept marriage to be a property transaction. The concept of marriage has evolved throughout history. Today, we understand it to be a voluntary spiritual relationship based on love, respect, mutuality and commitment. What really matters is the quality of the relationship, not the gender of the persons involved. And marriage is created not by religious ceremony or civil government. It is created by the persons involved who make their commitments to one another. Whether or not there is a religious ceremony to celebrate the marriage or marriage license to legalize it, the marriage two people make together in private is real and valid and should be honored as such. I hasten to add that marriage should never be understood as a requirement for two people in a relationship. Intimate relationships must not always create a marriage commitment. Marriage is a lifelong commitment that not everyone is willing to make or should make. Being single in an intimate relationship is an honorable choice.

How do I view God's position on "homosexuality?" I believe lesbian, gay and bisexual people to be a part of God's wondrous creation, created to be just who they are, and completely loved and treasured by God. I believe God does not intend for anyone to be alone but to live in companionship. And I believe God expects healthy loving relationships to include sexual love. The Bible doesn't say this, of course. But neither does it deny it. I believe this to be true not only because of the Bible's emphasis on the goodness of God's creation and the supreme value of love but because of the greater understanding of human nature that we have available to us today. I do not believe that God intends us to live in the small world of ancient biblical culture, but rather in God's larger evolving world informed by science, reason, and experience.
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