LIES ABOUT THE TALMUD (Page 2)

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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

Have you ever studied the Talmud GIR? Simple yes or no.

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God is real: Me ? No but i know people who have and even teach it to people so i ll take their response.All man has to do is know other's credentials so who cares if I personally have studied or not.I point out what your religion teaches
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

If you have never studied it then you have no business commenting about it. Go read it and then we'll have a discussion.

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Jaguar Essence
Jaguar Essence: So then you DON'T know, GIR.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

Excellent article about how the Talmud has been distorted.

https://blog.nli.org.il/en/against_the_talmud/

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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
Sanhedrin 58b. If a gentile hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting G-d. Jews are Divine. – Sanhedrin 58b

THE TEXT:
Rabbi Ḥanina says: A heathen (not gentile) who struck a Jew is liable to receive the death penalty, as it is stated when Moses saw an Egyptian striking a Hebrew: “And he turned this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he struck the Egyptian and hid him in the sand” (Exodus 2:12).

THE SUMMARY:
Nowhere does it say that Jews are divine. In the OPINION of one individual rabbi, Rabbi Hanina, not the Talmud itself, a non-Jew who hits a Jew is worthy of death by the Hand of G-d - there is no room whatsoever for a Jew to kill him. A Jew who hits a Jew, by comparison, is called wicked and excluded from Jewish communal life until he apologizes (eg. can't be counted in a minyan (Mininum size group of 10 men required for communal prayer) which is likewise a form of spiritual death. Therefore there is no discrimination.

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DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
Gentile women are designated animals – "she-asses" – Berakoth 58a

THE TALMUD TEXT:
R. Shila administered lashes to a man who had relations with an Egyptian woman. The man went and informed against him to the Government, saying: There is a man among the Jews who passes judgment without the permission of the Government. An official was sent to [summon] him. When he came he was asked: Why did you flog that man? He replied: Because he had intercourse with a she-ass.

THE SUMMARY:
Berachot 58a records ONE INDIVIDUAL SAGE (Rabbi Shila) referring to an ancient Egyptian woman as a she-ass. It does NOT generalize to ALL gentile women in the least, and was probably a reaction to the suffering the Jews had undergone at the hands of the ancient Egyptians.

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DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
It's ok to kill the "best of the gentiles." – Tanchuma – Beshalach 8

THE TALMUD TEXT:
And he took six hundred chosen chariots (Exod. 14:7). Whose beasts drew the chariots? If you should say they belonged to the Egyptians, has it not already been said: And all the cattle of Egypt died (Exod. 9:6)? If you should contend that they belonged to Pharaoh, has it not already been stated: Behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thy cattle (ibid. 9:3)? If you should assert that they belonged to Israel, has it not already been written: Our cattle also shall go with us, there shall not a hoof be left behind (ibid. 10:26)? To whom, then, did they belong? They belonged to the slaves of Pharaoh who feared the word of the Lord. Hence we learn that even those who feared the word of the Lord were a stumbling block to Israel. Because of this verse, they say: “The best among the Egyptians, kill; the best among serpents, crush its brain.”

THE SUMMARY:
Context here is very crucial. The question was raised, how could there be any horses chasing after the Jews with chariots (in Exodus 14:7), when they were all killed in the plague of hail (Exodus 9:19). The Midrash (Tanchuma – Beshalach 8) answers that the horses were owned by those who heeded G-d's warnings and locked his animals indoors (Exodus 9:20).

The Midrash concludes that these G-d-fearing Egyptians -- the best Egyptians – turned out to be the ones that gave their horses to chase the Jewish people. In other words, in this particular instance, even the best Egyptians also turned out to be oppressors. So even they – "the best of the gentiles" – were deserving of death.

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DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
"Jesus fornicated with his jackass." – Sanhedrin 105ab

THE TALMUD TEXT:
R. Johanan said: BALAAM (NOT jesus) limped on one foot, as it is written, And he walked haltingly. Samson was lame in both feet, as it is written, [Dan shall be a serpent by the way,] an adder in the path that biteth the horse's heels. Balaam was blind in one eye, as it is said, [and the man] whose eye is open…He practiced enchantment by means of his membrum (euphemism for penis). For here it is written, falling, but having his eyes open; whilst elsewhere is written, And Haman was fallen on the bed whereon Esther was.

It was stated, Mar Zutra said: He practiced enchantment by means of his membrum. Mar the son of Rabina said: He committed bestiality with his ass. The view that he practiced enchantment by means of his membrum is as was stated. The view that he committed bestiality with his ass [is because] here it is written, He bowed, he lay down as a lion and as a great lion; whilst elsewhere it is written, At her feet he bowed, he fell.

THE SUMMARY:
Sanhedrin 105a talks once again about Balaam NOT JESUS, and does claim that he fornicated with his ass (presumably a Jenny Ass, not a jackass). The view that he practiced enchantment by means of his membrum is as was stated. The view that he committed bestiality with his ass is because here it is written, He bowed, he lay down as a lion and as a great lion." It says absolutely nothing about Jesus.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT JESUS

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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

The Talmud is not a body of positive law like the US Constitution. It's more like a running commentary on arguments of law as well a repository of references to stories, folklore, and other textual matter. It cites sources, argues final opinions, majority and minority opinions, rejected opinions and leaves some matters unresolved. It also tells stories with illustrative allegory that are not meant to be literal but are meant to be tools for teaching.

Anti-semites like to selectively quote Talmud OUT OF CONTEXT or simply misquote it to bash Jews as has been demonstrated in these Wireclub forums. But a little legwork and thinking more than a millimeter deep disproves the Talmud haters. Hopefully this thread has shed light on the issue and exposes the lies for what they are.

LIES. DAMNED LIES.

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God is real
God is real: lol you delete our comments and keep defending claims nobody makes ? Why wont you explain the specific ones people bring ?
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

Claims nobody makes? Google Talmud and see all the lies. I don't make stuff up like you do which is why your posts get deleted.

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Zanjan
Zanjan: I've read parts of the Talmud - didn't keep me interested; a few bad entries had me closing out. We all have an opinion. The only reason I looked was to find what the Jewish record of Jesus was and how Jewish perspective and response may have changed. The problem was the name and events didn't fit in all the citations.

Here's a fascinating and worthwhile talk from a Jewish scholar that will help anyone who shares that interest.



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amoregrowers
amoregrowers: I find it interesting based on zanjan video and my own study that the church.

1 censored the Talmud to suit its own interest

2 burned the Talmud in many countries to erase and rewrite history.

And as pointed out in the video ,3 Christian gospels state Jesus was crucified on passover, and one says he was killed day before passover.

The Talmud says someone was stoned day before passover.

This could be different years , different charges, and entirely different circumstances.

There is NO definitive proof the christian Jesus is in the Talmud.

We all know that christianity is desperate to find a historical Jesus outside of christianity.

If you found absolute proof he was NOT who the church says he is would you accept it? Or would you deem the source a lie?? That is where the problem lies. People's willingness to be honest with themselves...





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Jaguar Essence
Jaguar Essence: Amore, well said.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

"I've read parts of the Talmud - didn't keep me interested." - zanjan

That's because the Talmud is not meant to entertain you.



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