Jesus returns (Page 2)

Zanjan: Two guys.......and all they did was rant.

shadowline: Oh I never said they weren't big bores.

Zanjan: xylance said "And even with some famous atheists acknowledging the importance of Christianity...."

As if one needs the referrals of atheists to lend importance to a religion. When we see that, it signals Christianity has seen it's expiry date - they're referring to it in "past tense".

While each religion remains important to its followers, if it were still a driving force for advancement in society, atheists wouldn't know - that would be ahead of their time.

Zanjan: However, I will agree that Christ has returned........just not by the old name.

The flying Squirrel:

Zanjan: Witchcraft? Who, anymore, believes that works?

There's a conspiracy theory that the owner of the Twin Towers put a curse on the buildings because it was costing too much to repair them. You don't see him boasting "Yeah, I cast that spell!" The Insurance wouldn't have covered the rebuild.

That woman seems to have a lot of information the police don't have. You gotta wonder about people who are obsessed with evil deeds, always complaining about them, always be hatin'. Doncha know they deserve it?

Don't worry, be happy!

People have been saying "This generation is lost" since Plato stepped up to the soap box.
Maybe my coffee cup is listening to me....no one else does.

Zanjan: God has frequently criticized humanity; so, it’s redundant when we do it. We need to pay attention to those who want to fix their lives or the world’s troubles but don’t know how. They have so many questions. The best response is, “how can we help?”

When the religious say ‘we have all the answers’, that’s disingenuous. Walk away. They don’t care about *you*. The truth is, religion has some tools to help a person achieve good results. If one knows how to apply the tools properly, they can teach others – not use that tool for them.

So, I think it’s critical to listen to the person’s response to the above question because that would be the starting point. If the problem is spiritual in nature, then it requires a spiritual solution. First, we have to know what THEY see.

You don’t have to be a master carpenter to know that if your coping saw isn’t doing the job, you need to switch to a fret saw. (double entendre) . The trick is to use the right tool for the right job – each has their place. If neither of those tools are getting the results you desire, you might be trying to do a more complex job - it’s time to look for a better tool.

Praised be to God! He has given us new tools. Power tools - I’ve got a scroll saw now! How can we not be grateful for the many, many lovely things God has given humanity lately? What better time could we be living in?

xylance: Umm when I said Jesus returns I meant imo I've seen a shift back towards Christianity. .

Just thinking out loud

xylance: Douglas Murray isn't famous for being an atheist he's an atheist who is famous. I think Richard Dawkins is more famous for being an atheist than he is a scientist these days.

Zanjan: Just what the world needs - a shift back to the Iron Age.

Zanjan: When the supergrid goes down and stays down, that will happen.

shadowline: I would be interested to hear some reasoning on the God question from Douglas Murray. It could hardly fail to be better that Dawkins', but, he probably considers it a closed debate.

And, perhaps, he is also not particularly bothered by religion (which would also make him more impressive than Dawkins).

Zanjan: Doncha know that all avowed atheists have the same reasoning on the God question? They're minimalists.

Can you believe God exists but reject ALL religion? Yes, and it's irrational.

However, as scriptures convey, it's better to be without a religion than to belong to one that's war-like, causing prejudice, contempt and strife.

Zanjan: Perhaps, xylance, what you're seeing is a return to peaceful and respectful ways.

xylance:

xylance:

Zanjan: First video: He’s speaking to the *British* – they don’t have separation of church and state so I can see why they have those problems; nevertheless, while attempting to be conciliatory, he could have supplied some historical facts to back up his opinions. Perhaps you can see why he didn’t.

Communism (the banning of religion) was the atheists’ turn for a whack at the can. It fared no better than a fanatical religious regime. Both broke the people because they were extremist ideologies. What would restore them? Not atheism. That faction is already a moot point because it’s never had a single moment in history where it’s been beneficial to the whole.

Yes, the non-religious and religious had both got some things wrong yet let’s not be cowardly – admit that mankind’s history of war has shown us that one side has always been more right than wrong.

Yet we aren’t forced to pick between the lesser of two evils. The third choice is innovative revolution. Remember when the Hittite and Egyptian empires were battling each other over possession of the Holy Land, Moses took His people around them.

Zanjan: Second video: Political views are extremely competitive, opinionated and combative. Solutions are always temporary and most proposals are never tried.

If the people look to the civic government for their messiah, they’re certainly barking up the wrong tree. This is because the government is the reflection of the state of the people, themselves. As such, they get the government they deserve.

Government can assist but it can’t improve people because it functions on a punitive platform. Is not the object of government to create order? Chaos erupts from failure to understand the principle of unity.

A happy, healthy life isn’t founded on the degree of cognitive ability; one can be a successful person within their capacity. Civilization includes them all and doesn’t view the Olympians as the only valuable people. Regardless of the formal degree of education, many highly intelligent individuals experience cognitive dissonance and end up ruining their own life and the lives of others.

Political science can assess the immediate situation but can’t predict the future. Prophets can.

Zanjan: Third video: Observation – problems persist in society because people have lost touch with God. While this is an accurate assessment, the posit that Christianity is the only way to re-connect with God is misguided because it’s uniformed. It assumes there was a time when everyone was in touch with God – where and when was that time?

Personally, I’ve never seen society without decay. What would that look like? Who would be responsible? Could it be ALL of us?

Do any of these videos illustrate a way that atheism and monotheism can be reconciled? I think not, because reconciliation requires the incorporation of universal principles which are actually practiced. They’re already here – what will it take for humanity to willingly bend to those principles?

To the man’s credit, he admitted he didn’t know the way out. What reduces the credit is that he has some ideas but isn’t pursing them. There’s always a door. The man of Spirit opens it.

You see, he acknowledges that one can’t use a broken tool to repair something that’s broken. If we DO want a better society, we’ll have to employ new tools. If, on the other hand, society isn’t broken, we certainly have to admit it's currently being re-modeled. Sitting there staring at the old wallpaper is useless.

I think one must be utterly blind and crippled it they haven’t yet realized humanity is being driven towards a new civilization out of sheer necessity. If there is any movement, then we're ALL headed in the same direction. With greater knowledge comes greater responsibility.

God proposes that this one will be founded on the understanding of unity - that is, the *unity of mankind* must be established as the prerequisite to world peace. Ergo, we must respect diversity and bring that into a world-embracing vision.

The flying Squirrel: Blah blah why doesn't Douglas mary ask the UK government why they support Zionism and Wharhabism the most Intolerant Idolagys of the last 2000 years not strange at all

Zanjan: I don't think anyone here was interested in his political views. I think the videos show that not all atheists are bad people, they're just ineffective people.

Zanjan: As per the video's "top shelf" people, we can view that quite differently. To me, the top shelf are those who can lead through the storm and out of the cave. They aren't those who take credit for fixing the problem they, themselves, created.

shadowline: Zionism is about as intolerant as a fair ground. It is Arab nations that refuse to give Palestinians citizenship.

As for Wahhabism, everybody other than the mullahs running Iran wants good relations with Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism isn't the only thing they are willing look the other way from to get that.

Zanjan: Well, there's way more money in tourism than war - even the Arabs found that out.

The flying Squirrel:

wshhabisim Is from Saudi Arabia its what it Runs on There the ones who Export it around the world, Empowering them and selling them weapons is hardly the way to go ISIS teleban the list goes on , Im afraid I agree with you for once Zanjan, all those Zionists like Theore herts were Athists