Jesus in the Passover Lamb

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Apokalupto:

We do call Jesus the lamb of God symbolically for what it represents in Him. We don’t worship a lamb, or any animals, just as we don’t worship the Bible, we worship God which the Bible informs us of Him, just as the symbolism informs us of Him and His plan.

The New Testament says that the lamb was slain from the "foundation" of the world meaning from the beginning. Revelation 13:8 The idea was always intended in Gods eyes.

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The very first lamb was sacrificed by Abel and it pleased God. Genesis 4:2 & 4:4 This shows that God is pleased with lamb sacrifice regardless if Egypt made sheep into an actual object of worship.

The Passover lamb is not the only symbolic symbol pointing to Jesus, its every sacrifice. But focusing in on the Passover lamb, it was symbolic, that means its not literal. Let me say it again, NOT LITERAL.

As we know, Israel was in bondage in Egypt, the lamb was an essential component to them escaping from Egypt......alive, for without the lamb, not even Moses could lead them out alive since Gods wrath would be on them, it takes both the spiritual and the physical to save, the first and the last, the sacrifice of the lamb and Moses.

There are a few things encoded in the symbolism of the PL, (Passover Lamb)
1. Sinlessness,
2. deity,
3. taking on sin/becoming sin
4. And ultimately cleansing from sin and giving life.
I’m going to explain the symbolism then show the story in scripture afterword.

How does the PL (Passover Lamb) represent sinlessness?

Firstly, if the symbolism was merely that of an Egyptian god and nothing more, full stop, then adding the fact that they had to take the nicest looking lamb "without blemish" kind of makes the Egyptian god look even better, not to mention they did this very thing for other sacrifices as well because it was symbolic of something, and that is exactly how it is viewed in the New Testament, NOT LITERALLY. The lamb without blemish represents sinlessness.

This next one is twofold.

Secondly, the fact that it was viewed as a god in Egypt gives us the symbol of deity, regardless of it being a pagan, its the symbolic meaning that matters, not the literal thing itself here, if it were the literal thing itself, nothing would ever make sense. God would eternally want Israel to sacrifice sheep because it showed loyalty by eternally eating pagan, Egyptian gods, that’s weird.

This symbolically points us to “godhood” not paganism or an Egyptian god itself, that would be NT apostasy to view it as such.

Third, on top of "Sinless" & "Deity" it also represented “sin” for the very fact that the Egyptians deified it, it was a sinful object.

And lastly, cleansing sin and giving life, here's how.

So we have, the spotless Jesus without blemish without sin, who was God, or because He was God, who was slain for our sins by putting the blood on our door post so we could live and not be under Gods wrath, because He became sin for us by taking the sin of the world and becoming that “object of sin”-our sins- as it was viewed in Egypt, and condemning it to judgment on our behalf, the roasted lamb.

You think that the Passover lamb had nothing to do with sin would be incorrect, we have to look at the symbolism to see its future fulfillment and implications. They perhaps didnt view it as an atonement during Moses time, who knows, but the symbolism spoke toward it anyhow.

Exodus 12:22 And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood (of the passover lamb) that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.

"Ye shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood" this obviously represents the blood itself as cleansing. The Hyssop showed us the cleansing nature with the blood.

Here is how we know its symbolic of that, because hyssop was used during cleansing rituals.

Leviticus 14:4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop: (Not to mention the ceder as the wood of the cross, scarlet as the blood/royalty, and hyssop as cleansing)

Leviticus 14:5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water: (Sacrifice)

Leviticus 14:6 As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water: (The cleansing nature of the hyssop and blood together being put over the bird, or in other words being put over us and washing us)

Leviticus 14:7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field. (The the living bird was let loose representing the life of the new believer who was cleansed by being “under” the blood of the bird/Christ)

Hyssop was not only used when cleansing from disease, but David figuratively uses it in his Psalm to cleanse him from sin. (Not literally) Psalm 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. – Read the passage, David wants his heart to be pure and clean and figuratively uses hyssop to demonstrate that.

Even in the law they dipped the blood of the animal in hyssop, this wasn't just a Passover lamb idea, and it further demonstrates that the passover lamb was not just some literal act, it had very deep symbolism in it, but the figurative cleansing nature of hyssop WITH blood is essential to understanding the passover. The two together represent "life cleansing" because the blood represents life, and the hyssop gives the cleansing symbolism to the blood.

Also there are two ways hyssop itself is symbolized,

one it cleansed bodily things like leprosy
two, figuratively cleansing sin when David makes mention of it.

But blood and hyssop together with the passover lamb specifically represents "life cleansing blood"

These two (David and Leviticus cleansing) represent the physical and the spiritual aspects. As leprosy corrupts the body, hyssop cleanses it, symbolically we wont be corrupted when we resurrect and live forevermore, but we cant live forever without hyssop also cleansing us from sin, the “spiritual” aspect, which is when its applied with the blood "with the lamb" shows us that the blood is the life which is a cleanser. Essentially, Jesus is all of this.

Lets look at the blood and how it was looked at and used.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

The life of the flesh is in the blood, therefore the blood represents "life"

This is deep symbolism that Jesus didn’t just pull out of a hat. It is tightly knit. Jesus said He came to fulfill all of the tanakh. The spiritual comes first, as did the Passover lamb in Egypt come first before they were physically saved with power and led out of Egypt secondly. Remember, the spiritual and the physical.


The Passover Lamb without blemish. In the NT, without blemish means without sin. the deification of sheep in Egypt translates to “God” and the fact that it was viewed as a sinful object because it was pagan represents Jesus “becoming sin, or taking on sin,” in other words, being the object of sin for us on the cross…our sins. You see Jesus on the cross and you see sin…your sin on Him, whose punishment on our behalf is fire, the roasted lamb.

2Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him (Jesus) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


In other words, when Jesus was on the cross you saw your sin on Him, He was an object full of sin and was the punished on our behalf, this symbol in Egypt that God used was not without a very deep meaning and in the NT it has nothing at all to do with pagan Egyptian gods. It’s the spiritual and symbolic aspects that tell the message here, just as the serpent in the wilderness didn’t actually represent a serpent, it represented Israel’s own sin lifted up on a pole, and any who looked at it were healed from the fiery serpents that bit them. Same concept, the serpent was an object of sin, their own sin, they had to see their sin being punished.

Exodus 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, (Symbolic sinlessness) a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

Exodus 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. (Represents being covered by the cleansing blood of Jesus which was shed on the cross)

Matthew 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Jesus says that it’s the fruit of the vine. They weren’t drinking His real blood. Just as the blood at the time of Moses represented life and they used it symbolically and abundantly, the cup of the fruit of the vine also represented life here, too, because it represented his blood.

1Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:


Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. (Represents Jesus taking our sins to judgment, which is by fire)

Exodus 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

If you did not have the lambs blood covered over you (your door post) then you would be met with Gods wrath. This is the message in the NT, If we don’t have Jesus blood cleansing us and covering us, and put on the door post of our hearts, then we are under Gods wrath, we would not be saved from Egypt, which is the symbol of this wicked world and sin.

But to say that the blood has saving qualities is not the full picture, we have to also believe that Jesus is the object of our sin that was sacrificed for us, as was pagan worship their (the Jews) own sin at the time, so taking our sin onto Himself on the cross. In other words, if you don't believe that Jesus took your sin onto Himself on the cross you cannot be saved, just as the Exodus Passover lamb was that object of sin, and was judged on your behalf, that is the overview of the Passover lamb.

In summery we have
Lamb without blemish which = sinlessness
Sheep viewed as Egyptian gods = deity
Sheep as pagan worship = the object of sin
Without the lamb and its blood you were under Gods wrath, in other words, it provided life.

The spotless Jesus without blemish without sin, who was God in the flesh, and became the object of our sin by taking them onto Himself, and sacrificed them on our behalf on the cross, paying for our sins by the fiery judgment that is roasted with fire, and we look to Him as they looked to the serpent in the wilderness but this time for eternal health. - Without Him there is no eternal life for you as there was no life out of Egypt without the lamb.


And before anyone says that the physical cannot in some way tell us things or symbolically represent God in some way, or tell us of Him would have to reconsider Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Nummbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Nummbers 24:9 He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.

I think God can use a lamb to represent Him symbolically.

Apokalupto: The original poster deleted his own topic where I took the time to make this detailed answer to him above. So glad i preserved this post in my own thread.

Apokalupto: Bump

Apokalupto:
The very first lamb was sacrificed by Abel and it pleased God. Genesis 4:2 & 4:4 This shows that God is pleased with lamb sacrifice regardless if Egypt made sheep into an actual object of worship.

The Passover lamb is not the only symbolic symbol pointing to Jesus, its every sacrifice. But focusing in on the Passover lamb, it was symbolic, that means its not literal. Let me say it again, NOT LITERAL.

DontNeedChrist:

Nowhere does it say what animal Abel offered. I challenge you to show the text. More forced christian tampering. The Pesach offering was NOT every sacrifice. It was strictly a communal offering that DID NOT ATONE FOR SINS. It was not a sin offering. For once get your facts straight before posting propaganda.

Apokalupto: God says the Jews are blinded, they have a veil over their eyes.

DontNeedChrist:

The christian bible says that. Not G-d. Learn the difference.

Apokalupto: G-d who? "G-d" it's neither a name nor a title. Seems you are banned from mentioning the very agent you profess to know no surprise there.

DontNeedChrist:

More tangents. The Pesach lamb was not a sin offering. Nowhere does it say Abel offered a lamb so your argument is built on fabrications to align with the christian narrative. You've been called out again.

Apokalupto: Observing the Passover lamb this year wont help with your sins. You need the lamb of God for that, but you reject God and the Torah. You will die in your sins if you do not have God to wash you clean through Jesus Christ. You can't even speak the name of GOD here. smh.

Not going to cast pearls to trolls.

DontNeedChrist:

Genesis 4:2 – "And she continued to bear his brother Abel, and Abel was a shepherd of flocks, and Cain was a tiller of the soil."

Genesis 4:4 – "And Abel he too brought of the firstborn of his flocks and of their fattest, and the Lord turned to Abel and to his offering."

4:2 simply says he was a shepherd but does not state what type of flock.
4:4 does not specify what type of animal Abel offered.

Classic verse tampering. You troll the Torah.

DontNeedChrist:

I don't "observe" the Passover lamb. I eat it with some rosemary and red wine. Delicious.

DontNeedChrist:

It's Yom Kippur where the nation of Israel's slate is wiped clean. You have your Jewish holidays mixed up. Not surprising.

Apokalupto: The devil is the father of lies. The LORD rebuke you. Jude 1:9

DontNeedChrist:

Can't respond to the topic that YOU brought up. That speaks volumes. Keep spewing the hate.

DontNeedChrist:

"The very first lamb was sacrificed by Abel and it pleased God." - AA (aka XP)

"The devil is the father of lies." - AA (aka XP)

It's a LIE to claim that Abel sacrificed a lamb when nobody knows what type of animal he offered. It's a dishonest skewing Hebrew scripture.

It's a LIE.

Apokalupto: Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. <--- this verse was posted in the OP. You neither know God, nor the Messiah, nor do you know how to read this thread, nor take scripture in context as I have demonstrated it. You are a troll. I did NOT lie. BUZZ OFF.

DontNeedChrist:

"The very first lamb was sacrificed by Abel and it pleased God." - AA (aka XP)

A LIE.

Apokalupto: As far as anyone else reading this thread, here is what the KJV says. If anyone thinks I lied then you are simply mistaken. He is a vicious troll.

Genesis 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

A firstling of a sheep is called a lamb. Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8






You will bear your sin as the vicious lying troll that you have shown to be in this thread.

Apokalupto: You will bear your sin as the vicious lying troll that you have shown to be in this thread.