Why Jews don't believe in jesus (Page 15)

JX Amaro: Well, it seems Jaguar has graced us with another storm of wild and wacky ideas utterly detached from objective reality. However, in spite of making a lengthy post, Jaguar didn't give us any definition of what an “educated religious Jew” might be. It hardly matters, as Jaguar's claim is the typical moonshine of counter-missionary nonsense. Here is a list of practicing JEWISH RABBIS who converted to Christianity:
http://www.aharithayamim.co.il/rabbis-that-converted-to-christianity/
And here is a book by a Jewish Rabbi who converted to Christianity – available on Amazon: “The Story of a Modern Missionary to an Ancient People” - Leopold Cohn.

Thus we see that Jaguar's argument – that only “ignorant Jews” become Christian – can be completely debunked by verifiable FACTS and EVIDENCE.

Are we done?

JX Amaro: @DontNeedChrist: Prejudices? Wrong. Spare me your “projection” issues. I'm the one defending Jews from moronic attacks coming from crude bigots – like you.

(Let's see if DontNeedChrist wimps out and deletes this post and my other posts. It hardly matters as I have screen-shot the relative sections of the thread. If it is deleted, I will post my own thread and title it: “The Tragedy of Bigoted Jews who Hate Jews.”)

E s s e n c e: jx amaro
Interesting, so far what I have seen is those names of Rabbis only appear in Christian propaganda, and in the article DOESN'T put the information of which Rabbinical school this people attended. ALL certified Rabbis have lineage of teachings, and ARE registered, even those over 1000 years ago their education pedigree will be well known, and no information is given, and beyond the Christian propaganda they dont exist.

As usual, a lazy Christian ONLY researches in what suits it narrative. A video less than 5 minutes, a web link without the lineage of Rabbinical education and a book, all are a Christian propaganda.

SHOW me UNBIASED links AND lineage of Rabbinical education. You have grace us again with ignorance.

E s s e n c e: ps, if they are really Rabbis it will be a record of them as students and who was their Rav, their Rabbinical school and the lineage of their knowledge.

You have too much to learn delusional grasshopper.

butttler: DNC cares nothing about what he calls "open minds" for he erases all the posts that disagre with his dogma....Leveticus 17...Life is in the blood...that is why it took the most priceless blood imaginable to pay the fine for your crime.....apart from Christ all men are doomed

DontNeedChrist:

FALSE, I only delete posts that go off topic or are personally insulting.

Leviticus 17 is not about blood being the ONLY means of atonement. It's about the prohibition of eating blood. You and other christian missionaries consistently take this verse out of context and leave out the most pertinent part. It's called cherry picking.

I have committed no crime. I am not doomed.

Also, anyone can glance at your forum topics and see the countless times I was censored. My posts directly addressed the subject matter every time but since you deleted them it's my word against yours. I have no proof just as you don't. The fact is you were afraid to allow them to be public so you deleted them. The hypocrisy is astounding.

DontNeedChrist:

"Let's see if DontNeedChrist wimps out and deletes this post and my other posts."

On the contrary. I'm happy to allow the public to see your hate-filled rants on display.

Stay on topic.

JX Amaro: I love the way Jaguar, again and again, proves my point – made in above posts – about “reality denial.” LOL. Anyway, I think my job is done. I have demonstrated and provided evidence that there have always been Jews who have found the Christian Faith believable and true. The reader of this thread can decide on the probative value of what I have presented. Obviously Jaguar will keep “moving the goal posts” of what counts as proof no matter what I present. You can't debate with such people. I'm moving on.

DontNeedChrist:

And there have been countless christians who have converted to Judaism. So what? Millions of christians have left their faith for Islam, Buddism, the Mormon church. You think you have some staggering point to make? You've only stated the obvious and pat yourself on the back for a job well done. In the meantime you refrained from addressing my points and answering questions. You're not here to learn. You're here to attempt to disparage people.

Newsflash: We don't care.

We're moving on as well as you fade away just like all the rest of your ilk. Now back to the topic.

JX Amaro:
@DNC: “Hate”??? LOL, more of DNC's “projection issues” on display again.

But why take my word for it? Why not just look at DNC's own words from page 13 (bottom) of this very thread:
“A Jew cannot be christian and remain Jewish.”

Let's examine that, briefly:

First, note that Christian is spelled “christian” and this is purposeful, not a typo (he and his “insane clown posse” of counter-missionaries do it all over the place on Wire Club). Obviously, DNC HATES Christians – both Gentile AND Jewish Christians.

Second, note that DNC's HATRED of Jewish-Christians goes far deeper than just deploring their theological beliefs. No, DNC has the audacity to entirely dehumanize them and deny them their Jewish ethnic identity!

But wait! It gets worse! It's not just Christian Jews that are stripped of their Jewish ethnic identity but any Jew who doesn't go along with the HaShem Cult. Let's quote from DNC again and from the same post:
“A Jew can never stop being a Jew, and thus turning to עבודה זרה / avodah zarah (strange / foreign worship, aka idolatry) is cutting that person off from G-d and the Jewish people.”

Did you catch that? Let me transliterate it for greater clarification: A Jew can never stop being a (HaShem Cult) Jew and to worship any other type of God or religion is to be cut off from God and the Jewish people (presumably forever or until they return to the HaShem Cult).

That means Atheist Jews, Deist Jews, Buddhist Jews, Epicurean Jews and any other type of Jew is denied their Jewish ethnic identity, according to Pontifus Maximus DNC!

Needless to say, there is something very disturbing and indeed morally grotesque in the casual way DNC (and his insane clown posse) are so willing to deny the humanity and ethnic identity of fellow Jews.

Yes, Jews. Sorry DNC, your arbitrary definitions (like your arbitrary and detached from reality arguments on a wide variety of subjects found in various threads) don't fool anybody. The word “Jew” is first and foremost an ethnic concept. It speaks to a people who have a shared culture, a shared background, and a shared history. This is the primary meaning. This is the definition used in Israel itself. You know Israel? The Jewish State? Get it??? Being “Jewish,” as a religious belief, is secondary. Just as a Jew being a Christian is secondary. And this (apropos of everything!) is why there are Jewish-Christians living in Israel!!! Wow! Imagine that!

In the name of Christian Love, let's hope DNC and his “insane clown posse” can get over their toxic hate issues. Lord have mercy!

DontNeedChrist:

Thought you were moving on. Seems you just can't get enough of us clowns.

E s s e n c e: He can't move on. He didn't even brought the information I requested, a goyim redefining what's a Jew.

JX Amaro: Jaguar: “...a goyim redefining what’s a Jew.”
Zonk! Yet more “reality denial.” Here we get the definition of “Jew” straight from the Israeli Declaration of Independence:

“The Israeli Declaration of Independence identifies Israel as a "Jewish State," in the sense that Jews as an ethnicity can exercise their right for self determination. It doesn't give a Judaism any special status over other religions nor does it deny minority rights.”

Here is the link so you can verify the source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_and_democratic_state

Once again I provide verifiable evidence of my claims while Jaguar and her buffoonish friends just rave and drool and engage in group-think-ignorance.

Yes, one can be a Jewish-Christian without ceasing to be Jewish. And yes, one day Israel may be a Christian State as more and more Jews wake up to the reality that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of God! Praise the Lord!!!

@DNC: “Your not here to learn. You’re here to attempt to disparage people.” Huh? I’m the one dropping facts, links and educational information. Yet more examples of DNC’s tendency toward “projection” and baseless claim making.

And what were these questions you had for me? I don’t see any. Frankly, I think any objective person reading this thread will have already concluded that my evidence has effectively countered the thesis of this thread. Jews, intelligent Jews and former religious Jews (including Rabbis!) have found plausible reasons to believe Jesus is the Messiah of God and that Rabbinical Judaism is a counterfeit, fraudulent religion of YHWH. Deal with it.

E s s e n c e: jx amaro as usual babbling for you to be validated. The Halacha DETERMINS what makes a Jew to be a Jew, you are bringing links that have absolutely nothing to do with the Halacha my dear delusional grasshopper.

All this regurgitating for nothing.

DontNeedChrist:

JX Amaro, the topic is why Jews do not believe in jesus. Your continued bashing and abuse of this forum is coming to an end. Either stay on topic or refrain from posting anymore. I refuse to get in a pissing match with you regarding who or what a Jew is. That is a completely different issue so feel free to start your own thread.

You know nothing about me. 'Tis you who is projecting.

amoregrowers: Has anyone considered that the Jewish people were converted to be G-ds people at Sinai.

Not the Gentiles.

So the way to Torah for gentiles since Temple is gone is through Jesus. Which if you believe Jesus is the living word (Torah) Then you should obey the commands of Torah!

So Jews do not need Jesus as the conversion lamb. Because Jews for all time were converted at Sinai.

However, it is the Jews responsibility to teach all the nations the Torah because the fulfillment of Torah for the Jewish people is dependent on the their Torah going out to all the world..

Just my thoughts. So Jews have Torah but gentiles do not. So jews do not need Jesus but gentiles do...

E s s e n c e: The Jews are willing to teach Torah, but they are not accepting the corrupted version of Judaic writings to be impose on their spiritual knowledge and inheritance.

A wise Buddhist said once, if you want to know Buddah you must become Buddah, meaning, we have to put our mind set as Buddah did to experience what he perceived to be. The same goes for all teachings, the Torah is a book of wisdom that has to be discovered, ALL Judaic writings are a source of wisdom that demand to be discovered and not believed. But in order for the gate of wisdom to be open, we have to align our mind set as our Patriarchs, Prophets and Sages have done. Instead I see people like jx amaro that pushes his pseudo theological understandings and claims to know and understand better than Jews while he isn't a Hebrew speaker nor has the knowledge of the essence of Judaism.

Esucated religious Jews simply know that Jesus isn't the Messiah, we dont believe, we know. This platform was created to have a logical understanding to why we know that Jesus isn't the Messiah nor G-d incarnated, but all I see is angry Christians like jx amaro that are babbling pseudo theological knowledge that suits their narrative and agenda.

amoregrowers:
Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 45:17 Israel is saved by HaShem, a salvation for all times; they will not be shamed or disgraced forever and ever


Tehillim (Psalms) 3:8 Salvation belongeth unto HaShem: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.


John 4:22, KJV: "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the JEWS."


Seems that G-d has given the JEWS for all time a spiritual inheritance at sinai

And the beauty of it is the gentiles are invited to share through a process of first the Noahide then as full obedience to Torah over time which one tablet was about loving G-d and one was about loving your neighbors.

The 613 commands mitzvot represent the body and we should all strive to be doers of the Torah.


In christianity christians view Moses and Abraham as Holy men.

So apparently before Jesus these great men. Understood that through the Grace of G-d and by faithful obedience to G-ds commands they would be blessed.

Abraham recieved Torah. Then Moses recieved Torah. What is the purpose of Torah

Your ability to absorb and understand spiritual matters is completely dependent on your ability to obey G-ds commands.

You your level of observation is directly related to what is give to you to understand spirituality.

So christianity is mad because this means the gentiles have to put themselves under the authority of Jewish Courts to be in compliance with Torah, And Rome just couldnt do that. So they created a counterfeit Jewish body called the church. A body that

Changes the calendar
Doesnt observe Sabbath
Added festivals Easter, Christmas

And now people think Torah is obsolete, when in fact the New Testament is not New nor is it a Testament. Solomon said nothing is New under the sun.

So Jews all along have known "the way". The Torah is called a light and a lamp.

If a Jew no matter who. Tells you the Torah is no good and obsolete that is not a Jew.

You really believe G-d gave something to humanity and it failed so he had to come up with a plan B.... the plan is always the plan. One G-d. One People!

Many messengers to renew and point to the Torah.