Why Jews don't believe in jesus (Page 14)

E s s e n c e: DNC, this is a very important clarification needed, thank you for sharing this facts.

DontNeedChrist:

Sorry I had to delete that series of comments but they were way off topic.

E s s e n c e: Understandable

JX Amaro: This whole thread is premised on a fallacious premise. There have always been Jews who believed in Jesus, starting with the direct followers of Jesus and continuing through the years to the present time. And the quality of the converts has been uniformly high including the likes of Benjamin Disraeli - a 19th century British Prime Minister. According to Jews for Judaism - a fanatical "counter-missionary" organization that is deeply invested in this topic - there are approximately 350,000 Messianic Jews worldwide at present. The numbers are growing. In regard to the bloviating video you posted, it only has a 206,000 views with a high "thumbs down" ratio. Here is a more revealing video with 2.6 MILLION views: YouTube

E s s e n c e: ONLY uneducated religious Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
This person lacks the knowledge to understand the Jewish traditions, this person assumes the Jewish experience is external.

Only those who are uneducated in Judaic writings, lack the knowledge to understand the inner experience push the Yeshua Messiah propaganda.

Messianic Jews is a Christian sect, less than 1% are real Jews, and those are uneducated Jews on their spiritual inheritance, the rest are wannabe Jews.

DontNeedChrist:

The Jews that chose to follow jesus in his day were apostates. Jews who follow jesus today are apostates. Messianic Jews are christians, not Jews. Anyone who directs worship to or through jesus is a christian – period – regardless of what deceiving titles they want to hide behind.

Jews have always been fewer in number than other religions and faiths. G-d said it would be that way. Comparing how many thumbs up or downs a video has is a childish metric.

It's quality not quantity.

JX Amaro: @Jaguar: Before making a-factual and absurd claims about Christian Jews being “uneducated,” you might want to master basic grammar and sentence formation skills. No further comment required.

@DontNeedChrist: Though I could comment on your selective grammar issues, I won't. Your error is far more severe. The Jewish people – as a Jewish people – are not delimited to those who subscribe to the lies of false rabbis and trashy Chabadniks. Many Jews are atheists. Some Jews have been Deists (e.g., Thomas Paine). Some Jews are Buddhists (e.g., the poet Allan Ginsberg and the actor Robert Downey jr). And many more – high quality – Jews are Christians. Here is but a short list: Felix Mendelssohn (classical composer); Jacques Offenbach (classical composer); Mortimer Adler (American philosopher); Simone Weil (French philosopher); David Ricardo (classical economist); Jason Chaffetz (former member of the US House of Representatives); Jay Sekulow (American Lawyer); Corey Pavin (professional golfer)... the list could go on and on.

“It's quality not quantity” - true. However, as the above list shows, the quantity AND the quality is VERY HIGH. Face it: Christiandom is the Destiny of History as ordained by God. You can accept this fact or you can be run over by the invincible March of Progress. Buenos Dias

E s s e n c e: jx amaro
You are a Christian, Christian's faith is based on believing, you have to believe in order to attain faith, and once you believe and have faith you attain knowledge that's suits the narrative of your beliefs.

In mean while, in Judaism the Hebrew word for faith is אמונה (emunah) and is an action oriented word meaning "support". Supporting is based on KNOWLEDGE of what must be done. Faith in Hebrew emunah is based in knowledge not in believing, we attain faith through knowledge.

You lack the knowledge to understand Judaism, and presume that's like Christianity, makes you unable to see and understand why.
An educated religious Jew in their spiritual inheritance WILL NEVER CONVERT or seek knowledge else where to understand. ONLY those who are ignorant of their spiritual inheritance will buy the polytheistic nonsense that Jesus is a god and the Messiah.
A fact.

ps, the video of the Jewish man who converted to Christianity shows he didn't have the knowledge to understand his spiritual inheritance.

JX Amaro:
Tell me if I got this straight: You (Jaguar) think Christians are village idiots who start with a harebrained faith and who then reverse engineer a fictitious “meta-narrative” filled with “language games” and “seriously weird” polytheistic doctrines smuggled, subrosa (of course), into a false mask of faux monotheism and pretend religion.

Meanwhile, (unreconstructed) Jews like yourself are academic social scientists observing fact-based reality with detached objectivity and critical analysis. Nothing absurd, nothing improbable, nothing that can’t be verified by empirical science and/or common sense itself.

This is too detached from reality to bother with a response. Both Judaism and Christianity are faiths, and both have the same pros and cons found therein. This thread is about whether or not Jews have historically and presently found the Christian faith believable. I have previously listed a large number of intelligent and well educated Jews who have seen the Christian light. If you seek MORE EVIDENCE just put “List of Jews who have converted to Christianity” (or words to that effect) into an online Search Engine. You will get result after result. Case closed. Frankly, I won.

E s s e n c e: jx amaro

I said Chritianity is a different faith based religion than from Judaism, you want to "feel" I said you people are the village idiots, be my guest. The fact stands that you as a Christian is judging practicing Jews of Judaism as if it was Christianity. NO EDUCATED RELIGIOUS JEW WILL CONVERT that's a fact.

I know it hurts to hear the truth, that the whole premise of validation of Christianity is when Jews believe in Jesus, some will but those who do are clueless of their spiritual inheritance and are an easy pray, especially that Christians spend enormous amounts of money targeting Jews, pushing the idea Jews for Jesus BS.

What you know about Judaism is based in what you been told, you have ZERO knowledge to understand and plenty of sheepy imagination to make a judgment.

JX Amaro: @Jaguar: Thanks for giving the readers of this thread an example of the Jewish Oedipus Complex. Like Euripidean Oedipus, Jewish Oedipus would rather pluck out his/her eyes than see the truth. “Reality Denial” is quite common within unreconstructed Judaism and we see it in action when I present a list of highly intelligent and educated Jews who proudly affirm that Jesus is the Christ. Instead of dealing with reality you (apropos of everything) defer to tired “talking points” of the false rabbis who mystify Jews with their “Moshiach Illusion.” In reality, “the Moshiach” isn't coming – ever. This Moshiach/Skelaton-Christ of the false rabbis is as false as they are. The truth is that the Messiah has came. He was raised from the dead. His name is Jesus. And he shall come again! Hallelujah!

Time is on our side. Forever.

E s s e n c e: @ jx amaro
I think no one better than the Christians have the Oedipus Complex Jesus being his own father.

The reality is ONLY UNEDUCATED RELIGIOUS JEWS convert. Besides, you font need to be butt hurt, you are just an uneducated Christian, and it's ok.

JX Amaro:
LOL. I'll leave it to the readers of this thread to decide on Jaguar's comment that I am an "uneducated Christian." It seems to me to be YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE of the Jewish Oedipus Complex - reality denial - in action. LOL

E s s e n c e:
jx amaro if I was you I would wear with pride my Oedipus Christian syndrome, you will be accepted, no reason to hide and deny.

JX Amaro:
Gee, how do I respond to a brilliant zinger like that? Clearly Jaguar has the BEST MIND on Wire Club, an intellectual colossus without equal. Maybe we can reach consensus on that, if nothing else. Buenos Dias

E s s e n c e: jx amaro
I am certainly not, yet, the only thing that you had the capability to respond was by calling us Mother Fuckers because you can't accept the fact that only uneducated religious Jews convert. Your reaction is quite childish and emotionally unbalanced, I read of asking "what are educated religious Jews know than none educated religious Jew to convert?
But your Christian ego was hurt at the exposure that ignorance is the key rather than a faith based in believing a salvation that is not part of the Judaic writings and has been mutated in Christianity by paganism.

amoregrowers: I will simply say as someone uneducated and lacking proper grammer...

Many Christians have left christianity to become Jewish, Atheist, Buddhist etc. These include artist, philosophers, scholars, and theologians.

Why does soneone who is practicing judaism not believe in jesus as presented in christianity.. quite simple... just as easy as why dont christians believe in buddha...


The only way imho a Jew can even possibly believe christianity is to only compare Jesus to G-d as far as Elohim like the Judges and Moses were called. But not in any capacity as Hashem...

Psalms:  I have said, Ye are gods (Elohim);

All Israelite Males becoming Judges were called Elohim.

Point is, if it doesn't lead you to Torah it's false.

JX Amaro: Jaguar's inflamed rant is virtually incomprehensible. As far as I can tell, it boils down to the idea that no Jew who has learned the Jewish faith would ever become a Jewish Christian. Is that right?

Would you care to establish a minimum bar, an objective standard? For example, if a Jew goes to Hebrew School and has a bar mitzvah and then becomes a Christian, would that be enough? Or do I have to find an actual rabbi who converted to Christianity? What meets your criteria as a minimum standard for being a religiously educated Jew?

A secondary point Jaguar made was a variety of personal attacks on me – not that I care. I am happy and proud to suffer for Christ. Lay it on. You say I'm childish? Sorry, I don't think so. I'm a Christian existentialist: I take “dasein” VERY seriously. Don't know what “dasein” means? Look it up. You are way behind in education and anyone reading this thread knows that I am leaving you in the dust. Is that childish of me to say? No. That's applied “joie de vivre.” (You might want to look that up, too.) Christians enjoy “joie de vivre” as a free gift from faith. In following Christ, Christians KNOW they are following the Light and the Way. Happiness and Confidence are the result.

A third point Jaguar made, at the end, was about Christianity mutating the Judaic writings. Well, that's a laugh. Everyone knows it's the Talmudic Book of Lies that corrupted the Holy Scriptures. Anyone who has studied this stuff knows that in the Talmud the opinions of creepy and seriously weird rabbis are allowed to overturn and invert the scripture. I could go on, but that would be off topic.

Enough said. Que sera, sera...

amoregrowers: I do not have the depth of study in Talmud to make such a critical judgement. I do see being raised in christianity that the apostles disagreed with one another rather intensely,and depended on the sanhedrin to make judgements.

Now we can be thankful that at the time of the diaspora three things came about from the oral traditions of the time. Ad 300-450

The Babylonian Talmud
The Jerusalem Talmud
The Christian New Testament

This was a miracle for the Jews who were scattered and the Gentiles who were coming to Torah..

Keep in mind

Coming of Messiah
Baptism/Mitzvah water purification
Resurrection of dead
Spiritual gifts such as laying on of hands..etc

All this is fundamental to Judaism as well as christianity.

We learn to translate written Torah through the oral tradition. No vowels or spaces in written Torah.

Jesus himself told his follwers to obey the pharisees who were dominant oral Torah.

E s s e n c e: jx amaro
It ALL boils to this point, you don't know nothing about Judaic writings, you believe what you been told, there's a difference between knowing and believing and is IGNORANCE.

Instead of being lazy, why don't you educate yourself to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus, and is impossible to believe for educated practicing Jews. However, you post a video from a Jew that's ignorant of his religious inheritance as to validate your Christian beliefs. And that the Christian sect Messianic Jews, which less than 1% are Jews and 99 plus percent are Christians wannabe Jews are the Jews.

As for your testimony of suffering to melodramaticize your connection with Jesus as the proof of his legitimacy is inconsequential and irrelevant. Jesus the Jew will have known there are many paths to G-d being righteous and that a Buddhist, Baha'i or Christian can be righteous and have a relationship with G-d.

As for you calling Jews Mother Fuckers because I said that only Jews who are ignorant convert and their faith in Jesus, your emotional reaction is based in ignorance and in not having the tools to deal intelligently with those who don't agree or are against your fragile religious beliefs. I see that your religion doesn't have the tools to teach their followers how to deal with rejection and the only way they can do it is through violence. Something that historically can be seen in Christianity by practicing Christians.

You want to prove me wrong, DON'T BE LAZY, go and STUDY LIKE any EDUCATED RELIGIOUS JEWS DO and DISCOVER WHY. You think that by posting a video that has been watch over 1M viewers gives legitimacy to your Christian claim?
This shows your immaturity, your laziness, your lack of skills to comprehend beyond what you been told, and that you emotional investment in your religion has made you a sheep, an animal. Only animals don't ask, don't question beyond their own understanding and see by their masters eyes. In your case, your master is ignorance.

The topic says "Why Jews Don't Believe in Jesus" and you come with a video of less than 5 minutes long to proof that Jews do believe in Jesus, and I say to you the only reason they do is because they are ignorant of their spiritual inheritance to believe in polytheism. You say I am ranting, look at your responses, and see how emotional you have become when I gave you a direct answer without calling you a Mother Fucker.

I can see not even Jesus is enough for you, you dont know how to practice his command of "Dusting your sandals when your message is not heard," yet, your need to be heard and be validated. Your need is more powerful showing you are an animal, blindly obeying and following the commands of your master which is ego.

To Christians like your self I say this, you want to know why Jews don't believe in Jesus, DON'T BE LAZY and learn like practicing educated Jews do to understand why is based in knowledge rather than a believe.

DontNeedChrist:

"false rabbis and trashy Chabadniks" - JX Amaro

"Case closed. Frankly, I won." - JX Amaro

Didn't take long for your true colors to show. At the risk of having your posts deleted I suggest you tone it down. Check your prejudices at the door. Thank you.

It's a shame you believe this to be a contest of who has more likes, more believers, more thumbs ups and heart emojis and not a rational discussion that should be approached with an open mind. Since Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, using your logic, Islam would be the "Destiny of History as ordained by G-d."