Why Jews don't believe in jesus (Page 2)

edmund_carey: It is easy enough to see why Jews don't believe in Christ. And in today's world I don't think anyone takes any exception to that, although I don't have a lot of experience of fundamentalists and extremists myself (I'm Canadian).

What I have always wondered about Judaism though is that it seems to be content with the idea that the Creator of the universe only ever sought relationship with his creatures on this planet by communicating with one small people, that he promised that one small people a very special king at some undetermined time in the future, and that he has never said a word to anyone else in all this vast, overpopulated world at any other time in its history. Not one word? Ever?

One reason so many more people find Christ appealing than Judaism (hardly the only one, of course) is that the meaning of his ministry is understood to reach out to all of mankind. Belief in God strongly suggests that, either that is so about his dealings with us, or he is too parochial to be much concerned with.

DontNeedChrist: Edmund, Google the Noachide Covenant. That is G-d's expectation and communication with all of mankind which predates Judaism by a couple thousand years. G-d has a relationship with all of humanity if humanity chooses Him.

Zanjan: I think it would be mighty odd that God wouldn't expect more from us today than He did nearly 4 thousand years ago. I mean, we can all see some progress of civilization since then.

That implies one would raise not just the expectations but the challenges as well, commensurate with the numbers who've learned the skeletal basics of social and spiritual life.

You'd have to know where mankind was headed before you could command them to do more.......and how much more.

edmund_carey: What is the need for Judaism then, Dont, be it asked with respect? If God has a relationship with all of mankind, why are only a few million people worshipping him as is right to do so?

Zanjan: There will always be a need for "lamp holders" - they protect scriptures from disappearing and testify their faith was never a folk religion, never a fantasy. Who else will protect a religion that's not their own???

How would we remember the Word of God if it all fell to the dusts of myth? Where would be our source of reference? Judaism is a world heritage - do you throw away a legacy?

When God said His Words will not pass away, He obviously had the means to ensure that. It doesn't matter the size of the group, dedicated to this preservation, only that there is one and it's still standing, despite every storm and attempt at destruction thrown at it. There's the proof that no man can stand against the Will of God!

In short, you do what you have the means to do - do you want to be a lamp holder or a torch bearer? Each have an important place.

DontNeedChrist: Edmund, EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING has the choice to follow G-d or not. Jews were chosen to follow G-d via the Torah which has 613 commandments whereas non-Jews only have to observe seven commandments. Jews have a greater burden but they are not superior or any more special than any child of G-d. Judaism is not the only path to G-d. There are other faiths/religions that disagree and say THEIR way is the ONLY way but not so in Judaism.

edmund_carey: Very well, sir. That is an answer. I'm not sure I believe it, but, it's an answer. Thanks.

DontNeedChrist: Google Noachide Covenant or the Seven Laws and you will find an abundance of information.

Zanjan: DNC: "There are other faiths/religions that disagree and say THEIR way is the ONLY way"

It's not the religion that says that, it's the people in it who say this. To my knowledge, only Christian groups do and we all know how fractured their interpreted path is.

What does GOD say about it?

We all know He said He'd send Prophet after Prophet until the end of time. That's exactly what has happened so far. A decent study will reveal that not all Prophets of God are in the same class but God said they should all be honored. There has to be a reason for that.

Zanjan: From my perspective, it seems when Jews say they don't believe in Jesus, they're not intending to dishonour Him; they're saying they don't believe He belongs to the highest class of Prophet of God - that is, the Messiah.

For some reason, Jews seem to think that when the promised Messiah appears, EVERY Jew will believe in Him. That's very amusing.

Jaguar Essence: Interesting Zanjan how you much bullsh*t you regurgitate to have the last word through ignorance and presumption about how we perceive as Jews.

Zanjan: Interesting how you missed that fact that I posted MY perception...........not yours.

Jaguar Essence: I'm speaking EXACTLY about your perception.

Zanjan: you wrote: " about how we perceive as Jews".

I wrote: "From my perspective....."

Then I wrote: "Jews seem to think that ......"

That's what Jews, themselves, have told me. Go tell them they're liars.

Jaguar Essence: Yes, you ASSUME our perception through your ignorance and a HUGE necessity to have the last word and being right. That shows emotional stupidity.

Zanjan:

DontNeedChrist: "For some reason, Jews seem to think that when the promised Messiah appears, EVERY Jew will believe in Him. That's very amusing. "

What's amusing is how uniformed you are regarding the Jewish Messiah. Nobody, not even Jews will "believe in him." The entire world, both Jews and non-Jews alike will KNOW he has arrived based on his accomplishments and fulfillment of the Tanakh prophecies. Belief will play no part and the Messiah is not only for the Jew.

Zanjan: Like I said...............and Christians believe the same thing.

DontNeedChrist:

I repeat. BELIEF will play NO part.

Zanjan: Seems you believe something, now don'tcha?

DontNeedChrist: I believe you're kind of a troll in these forums. Yes.

Jaguar Essence: DNC, "BELIEF will have NO part," that's an imposible way to understand WITHOUT understanding AND experiencing the mechanics and dynamics of Judaism.

Zanjan: DNC, so, you open a topic for discussion, then believe anyone who doesn't agree with you on every point is a troll. It follows you believe all trolls are bad. It follows even further, you believe I AM a troll; therefore, I'm bad.

Yes, how easy it is for humans to judge people on their beliefs! God doesn't do that.

DontNeedChrist:
Wow, quite the stretch there. Have fun in your rabbit trail.