the coming and great day of the Lord (Page 6)

Apokalupto: these are very simple straightforward rules to people who want to have a good honest authentic conversation.

Apokalupto: as a topic reminder the last comment on the topic is reposted.

"I will reiterate my point which is the Jewish POV of Hebrew scripture:"

I have two very big very important questions for your Jewish point of view.

number one. why have you still not actually addressed the original post and the answers given? why are you sidestepping?

number two. why are you not incorporating the whole tanakh in your interpretation and still only accepting a handful of scriptures?

here is my original post which you totally ignored.

Malachi says that the Lord will send Elijah before the great and terrible day of the Lord.

"Malachi 3:23 says that Eliyahu/Elijah himself will appear -- not some "forerunner" or "spirit.""

The angel in the Gospel of Luke says that John the Baptist will be sent in the spirit and power of Elijah, but John says that he is not actually Elijah. and that's because he's not.


the scripture makes clear that John is not Elijah but only in the spirit power of elijah. so Elijah himself is still yet to appear at some later point particularly as the scripture says before the great and terrible day of the Lord. so you are pretending and misrepresenting the point in the original post. it does not say that John the Baptist is fulfilling the prophecy in Malachi. That's been told to you quite a few times

at the time of jesus' earthly ministry that was not the great and terrible day of the Lord, that is a future event when Jesus returns.

on the Mount of transfiguration Jesus showed Peter James and John a vision of himself transfigured and in his kingdom beside both Moses and Elijah. this was a vision, a picture of what is yet to come. Elijah will be there and fulfill the actual prophecy in Malachi.

John the Baptist is not trying to fulfill the prophecy in Malachi. The angel in the gospel of Luke said that he would merely come in the power and spirit Elijah.

this was foreshadowed not by Malachi!!!

but as I stated in the original post it was foreshadowed by Elisha who asked for doubled the spirit of Elijah, then when Elijah left Elisha did get double the spirit. John the Baptist fulfilled this foreshadow when he too came in the power and spirit of Elijah as did Elisha.


Elijah left and Elisha carried on in his place. this for shadow was also fulfilled by the transition between John the Baptist ministry and Jesus Christ.

once again, this was not a Malachi prophecy. lol

this is more proof that you are ignoring the tanakh when you interpret these matters. you only accept a fraction of the tanakh in your interpretation of the Messiah and that is exactly what it means when you take the 1% approach.



Zachariah 9:9

Messiah king of Israel had come he's just and having salvation lowly and riding upon an ass and upon a colt the foal of an ass. this was preceded by John the Baptist who came in the spirit and power of Elijah at Jesus first coming.

at the great and terrible day of the Lord, as for told in the prophecy of Malachi, Elijah will fulfill his coming preceding Daniel 7:13

when the son of man, Jesus Christ, returns and will come with the clouds of heaven and he will have dominion and Glory set up his everlasting kingdom.


"After John the Baptist and jesus, did the hearts of the fathers turn to their children, and the children to the fathers?"

what do you mean after, after? after John the Baptist and after Jesus Christ? lol you are twisting the question.

The answer was already given to you before but you ignored it and you are ignoring it again.

John the Baptist prepared the way of the Lord, which is Jesus Christ. he turned the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers before the beginning of Jesus ministry. and because of that Jesus was very well received in Israel who is God manifest in the flesh.

Elijah himself is yet to appear according to the prophecy of Malachi.

God is real: DNC to be anti christianity is fine...just dont use arguments that have nothing to do with this...like translations and stuff

Apokalupto: we're not going to discuss off topic discussions anymore. as a firm reminder this is the last time that we blatantly ignore the topic.

keeping you people on topic is a bit of a chore.

God is real: happy new year

Apokalupto: Happy New Year's Eve. Topic: Religion

Apokalupto: "Your 1% claim is laughable."-dnm

turns out that he only had 54 verses to show concerning the Messiah, approximately that is just under 1/4 of 1% of the entire old testament.

looks like I was being too nice.

Apokalupto: You have been slain with your own sword. the would-be battle is over.

Apokalupto: nothing but trash talk.

Apokalupto: the new number is 0.447826086

almost 1/2 of 1% of the Old testament

Apokalupto: had to update my previous comments that have been made in this thread, but now it's time to get back on topic. insults and trash talk and off topic comments are deleted.

THE MOTHER EARTH: Elijah indeed has come as a refining fire, he also had in previous times been called by other names, one of them being, Zion and Jerusalem, same name of his lands, lands of the Prince of Israel, and a host of other names, he is the 1st Seal in revelation 6:2, and the 1st of the two witnesses, by nicknames the witnesses are also called (Israel and Judah) for in the hand of judad was the staff of judgement till Shiloh/Elijah/Israel appeared, wearing a crown of 12 stars, and onto him were the 12 nations gathered. (12 nations is representative of elect, of all nations)