Believers Baptism

HydroMan
HydroMan: Does anyone know the origins of the Christian concept of Believers Baptism, or what Bible verses are used to support it? Seems that there are many baptisms in the Bible, but I don't know where Believers Baptism originates from
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Zanjan
Zanjan: You will find explanations in Mark 1 & John 1........and Mathew 3 and Luke 3

Acts 19:15 Paul explains that John The Baptist baptized with water as a symbol of repentance - that is, He brought disenchanted and wayward Jews back into the fold to be prepared for the coming Messiah, who would baptize them with the Holy Spirit.

John made it easy because He pointed the Messiah (Jesus) out to followers when He walked by. This was the beginning - by baptism with water, Jesus joined the community of followers of John the Baptist. It seems this was one way Jesus knew who was prepared to accept Him and who wasn't......soon, Jesus called to those who would come with Him.

In essence, John gave His own followers as a gift to Jesus but not all of them went along because they weren't ready. So, John continued to teach and draw people closer. Looks like Paul had come across a group of them, left over after John's ministry ended. By then, they were ready.

Water Baptism replaced circumcision as a symbol of dedication. I mean, if one has been circumcised, they can't be circumcised again (remember, they were still all Jews); so, there had to be a different symbol, one which applied to personal choice at the age of maturity. Make sense?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: So, all those who recognized Jesus as the Christ were departing from the past - they weren't merely reviving their faith in old truths, they were receiving NEW knowledge and stepping into a new world, since they believed the prophecies had been fulfilled.

Thus, the *sign of dedication* HAD to change - that is, no longer performed by a ritual. There was an upgrade in expression. For example, they no longer made animal sacrifice - the sacrifice had to be of one's "self". You see the progression, right?

Therefore, to be baptized with the Holy Spirit is to internally receive the bestowal of renewal, which goes beyond belief, beyond the material props. The Holy Spirit is the power by which begins spiritual transformation.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: When students received the WORD via the Holy Spirit, they were baptized into new knowledge and life. That doesn't mean they all had perfect understanding of the WORD......it means they had to be *born again* as *their own* soul's new beginning.

That's why John told told them about the baptizism with fire - obviously, this was not a physical fire.
Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said: ‘I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire.’

It was the fire of test for newbies, which would prove that the love of God was indeed a fire that burned brightly within them. In all things, they put God first.

For the Faith of Jesus Christ, there are no other God-sent baptisms - just those two. Meanwhile, people have theorized, attributing it to other kinds only by splitting hairs.
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chronology
chronology: Very thought provoking comments Zan. Your knowledge or religion is vast indeed.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Hmm, IDK, I usually have to look up citations I want to quote......can't remember where everything is and have a limit to how many extracts I can memorize. But thank you for your sentiments.
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HydroMan
HydroMan: what Im finding difficult to understand is this - there are passages that refer to people being baptised, or being baptised in 'the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit'. But what baptism are these passages referring to? For example, when Jesus told the disciples to baptise people in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit, was He referring to water baptism? When people are baptised in 'the name f the Lord', is it in reference to water baptism, or being baptised with the Holy Spirit?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: It would be helpful if you could quote Jesus saying that.

While Jesus still walked the earth, the disciples were traveling around teaching others, even baptizing them..it would seem on occasions when Jesus wasn't present. What did Jesus do when individuals recognized Him? Nothing is mentioned other than that He healed them.

If baptism was done with the Holy Spirit, how could THEY, the disciples, baptize that way? They didn't have control over the Holy Spirit because no one owns it. Yet there's a reference to the disciples healing people while teaching and baptizing.

According to accounts, the Holy Spirit came to the disciples only *after* the crucifixion, otherwise known as the Pentacost. By that means, the onlookers were so stunned, they became Christians en mass.

Seems to me some new believers had wanted water baptism before they realized where this new faith was going. Since it wasn't even really formed yet, there was lots to learn.....water baptism was likely what the disciples thought was right to do.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: No harm can come from water baptism because it doesn't actually DO anything. It's just a celebration put on by the welcoming committee. According to most pastors, its a symbol of immersion in the faith.
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suchso
suchso: As far as I know, baptism in water was a Jewish practice, way before John the baptist. I think it was for proselytes converting to Judaism. It is a ritual from those days before Christ.

John the baptist preached baptism as a symbol of repentance and preparation for the messiah.

But ever since Jesus Christ's sacrifice, we are now baptized in Spirit. No more just a symbol of being born again, but actually a renewing of the mind and living in tune with the Spirit of Life (aka. God).
Water baptism symbolizes a dedication to the cause. But baptism by Spirit is a personal renewel of our psyche (mind).
We were born once in the flesh naturally through our parents. Being born again in the Spirit is a renewel of our mind.

That's how I see it.
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Winepress
Winepress: Baptism rituals are quite old

There's one in the so-called Egyptian " Book of the dead ", for newborn babies

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Evelyn99
Evelyn99: I’m raised in a traditional southern baptism family and church and always been clearly aware of my gender roles I’m 19 and basically my dad decide who I will marry and I know it’s about time. Just kinda hoping to meet some people here with same or similar understanding of the Bible and will want to know me and not just talk to my dad and church before demanding marriage I’m raised to know my place in this so I’m happy enough and know well my duties as wife. I’m not aloud to have any sexual activity before who that will become my husband wishes to preform sexual interaction with me. So I’m very much a Virgin but men don’t have those obligations for god so I don’t mind previous relationships when it comes to my spouse.im 19 but quite some age difference is the norm in our church. Hopefully there are some southern Baptist out there interested? If so I will put you in touch with my dad as I have little to say on the matter. We live outside Orlando Florida.evelyn.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "but men don’t have those obligations for god"

Where did Christ say that? Chastity is for all, not just females. Thus, Christian men should also be virgins when they marry.

You're an adult now; you can find your own man. Once you've both decided you want to marry each other, then you should ask your parents for permission to marry. This is the Christian way.

If you're having trouble finding young men in your church, there are lots of youth groups and summer camps where Christians from all denominations participate. This isn't a dating site but if you find a Christian dating site, make sure you converse with a local. Beware of distance.
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