Sin

Cenababy: James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

1 John 1:8-10 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Cenababy: Roman's 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Cenababy: So in the above we see the criteria of why we shouldnt reject Jesus, what we are capable of without him and why we need him. Let's look further...Roman's 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Mark 7:20-23 - And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Cenababy: Corinthians 10:13, a way to escape...There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

Cenababy: James 4:7

Cenababy: Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Galatians 5:16 - [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Cenababy: So there is a way to flee from evil, follow goodness, let the holy soirit guide you.

Zanjan: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

That would be the reason we need redemption. As noted in scripture, if a man gets rid of one sin, 7 others come in to fill the gap. He never gets ahead; worse, he slips further back. The harder he tries, what he wants stays beyond his reach. This is because, we can't flee from evil without God's help.

That help wont come until one submits completely to God. The reason God has to send a Revelator every now and then is because the time has come that people can no longer help themselves. The Revelator provides the remedy and heals the illness of the souls; He cleanses their spirit with the Holy Spirit. Forgiveness doesn't wash away sins, it just overlooks them.

For sin to remain behind, one has to be born again into a different world - the kingdom of God. Otherwise, there is no change, regardless of who one believes in.

Cleanliness is next to Godliness; that means ones' former sins have been washed away. This is holiness - freedom from sin. You don't have to settle for less. Only the pure in heart walk with God. There are no sinners in heaven.

tularcitas: I really don't see myself as a sinner....I'm only human...I am what Creator made...and if you want to get into the free will argument, forget it....If Creator is omniscient, then Creator would know everything I will do...If you ask me, we are all extensions and attributes of Creator...We are playing out our role in this human form in this physical world..we are creator in it's reality show.

Cenababy: Well Sara each of us have to be held accountable for how and who we are. I try to live my life as being the best person I can be and to show respect, compassion etc. On wire it is sometimes hard to do, example the room we frequent is full of deviants, gossipers, mockers, haters, making fun of people on purpose, slandering, saying hateful things etc. THAT IS NOT being the best a person can be and full of angst and ugliness., sin!

If we look at the book of Ronans , God definitely defines sin, I go the extra mile with what it is. Not adding it taking away but hopefully helpful to others to understand. As Zan has said before it is rather hard to understand both of you havent lived both. Example; if you have only lived a secular life how then can you understand moving into a more Godly life as God would want? You see. I've lived both, I rather live free from what Roman's teaches us, it is more loving and a good example of how to be a better person.

Here are a few words that describe what I'm on about, and not what I want to be.....

Liars, cheater, strife, envy, malice, gossip, slander. Slander, rape, murder, envy, jealousy......see if we look at these, do they make us great or less, do they uplift or tear down? These are some of the words used to describe sin!

With athiest you will hear, well, sin is subjective, really? So, that means all those words above are. Rape, subjective, wow

Cenababy: God knows what we will do, he also knows what we are capable of and who we can be when we give up self and follow him!

Zanjan: This makes you wonder if all people know when they're lost.

I mean, if you were born and brought up religiously, then you chose to go off and do your own thing, then yeah, I think it wont be long before you realize you're a transient - you've left your true home, which is in the kingdom of God.

The young tend to make the most mistakes; some wise up to this and return to God. As in the Psalm "Remember not the sins of my youth". The son who got lost (in materialism and selfish desires) finally realized that and repented, then went home to his Father. This was because he remembered his roots. What of those who never had any?

That's tragic because they have to start on their own from scratch - chances are, they'll never find their way to God. It's a rare few who do. I think that's because somebody prayed specifically for them. In my own case, I had no roots but I knew who had prayed for me - my great grandmother, who had passed away nearly a decade before I was born.

Only sinners are lost. The righteous aren't.

Cenababy: Zan I hope more will realize life can be better. Who knows, only God.

harlettsines: heaven is where the principles against being in universal harmony were conceived written & begun in other words heaven is where SIN was born and put into living motions and made into living realities..

the war against being in universal harmony began in heaven...it is written on earth is where that war will be ended.. by those who won the war in heaven...

murder was plotted planned and put into motion..in heaven...evil reins supreme here on earth evil knows no boundaries or fear of consequences..

to believe your capable of forgiving evil any evil is self exalting to say the very least for the moment..

to pretend you can forgive evil is foolish... to forgive evil is to agree with it's acts motives and intentions and is you giving evil permission to do at your life living as it so chooses to act out upon you..

sin is the outworking of principles at war with being in universal harmony...

if sin could be forgiven sin would cease to exist..

there is a unfathomable mockery in the notion "That Jesus " died for our sins while sin still reins supreme over all here on earth..have you forgotten we all pay the hefty & scary price for it's existence .. we all experience death..


has your studies not forewarned you to be weary of false comforts...

Cenababy: Harletsines.....jesus is the law, the comforter, the one that can save.

Secondly, he didnt die for everyone! Those who believe in him are born again into his salvation.

If you dont believe then that's your issue not mine.

The bible makes it clear, who are you to tell Jesus who, what, he is or is capable of. No one that's who.

Zanjan: Harletsines wrote>>> "there is a unfathomable mockery in the notion "That Jesus " died for our sins while sin still reins supreme over all here on earth"

I'll give her that, although the ancients probably didn't view it the way it was written. Ask a Christian to explain it, they can't......well, aside from Cena. Let me envision this deal of a generation:

Like, I (Jesus) will pay the sum of : my body: to the devil; in return, the devil gives me all you sinners.

Doesn't sound like a good deal. If the devil was the face of Caiaphas, he'd be delighted but do you honestly think any of those Jewish clerics would hand over their membership to Christians? Never trust a devil!

Like, I (Jesus) give the devil what he/it wants : my soul: so he/it will hand you over to me. Who's got the power here?? That's not what happened in the desert. Jesus just said NO.

Like, if I throw myself under the bus, you'll be my friend nOOOWW?

Not even going there

While Jesus was still alive, He told a disciple:
"Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail "

Looks like the power of prayer was the key - not a buyout. A man lays down his life for the love of truth, setting the example. Likewise, a man heroically risks his life to save another, often a flailing stranger.

Zanjan: ."take my name off of your post ^^^^^^ "

NO

"...... and never address me personally ever again.. "

Apparently, your demands aren't working for you.

I wasn't addressing you - I was quoting your stuff.........then I addressed the material. I don't care about you at all, not one bit. I don't know you; in fact, I don't even remember you. I'm fine with referring to you and your stuff, second person.

Also, I'll quote Jesus as much as I please. If you want me to stop addressing you, then stop addressing me - works both ways, space cadet.

Zanjan: It's very easy to be daring..... everyone is bolder on line where they imagine, in their anonymity, they're safe from the wrath of God and retribution.

That Harlett is personally addressing me, doesn't mean she's got my attention.

Cenababy: I thought I might intervene but since looking at someone's profile, why bother. I see some sitting on the fence going on here.

Secondly my posts are from a Christian perspective and what's not appropriate here is slamming people halt!

Crash: "Sin" Is a religious/biblical construct. It has no providence or meaning outside of religious circles. So when you say to someone "you're a sinner" it means absolutely nothing unless they believe as you do. This is simply another example of the religious trying to insinuate their subjective beliefs and subjective morals on everyone. The height of hubris and arrogance.

Especially since none of their beliefs can be proven........ or even the slightest bit of evidence provided for them.

But please.....continue to make baseless assertions based on an unverified 2300 year old text. All it serves to do is illustrate your lack of critical thinking skills and your willingness to try to assert a falsely assumed "moral superiority" over others.

Zanjan: " It [sin] has no providence or meaning outside of religious circles"

Yes, it does. Most laws of the land are legislated on "sins" - ie., murder, theft, oath-breaking (breach of trust), slander etc. Every child has heard from their parents and those on the street what actions God deems to be sins. Tell us which sin you'd never heard of by your teens.

Many are ignorant in that they don't know the difference between spiritual laws and social laws - the latter always change.

Spiritual laws apply to *every* human because those never change - they're older than dirt and universal. If there are any new sins, those refer to social laws; as such, they only apply to the members of the said religion.

Crash: yeah ....all that was simply ONE BIG assertion zan. Predicated on "Spiritual" actually being a thing. You made no defense of my post ....all you did was say "Sin is a thing" LOL sigh. Provide EVIDENCE that it is......until then....your "rebuttal" is nonsense.