An open letter to Christians and the Religious in general. (Page 2)

Crash: Sigh

lori100: Are you against Buddhists and other religions?...and many scientists believe in God and are religious...

Crash: I'm against Religions as forms of oppression. I'm against any religion that tries to FORCE it's ideology and dogma on others. The 3 Abrahamic religions DEMONSTRABLY do this. The world would be better off without them.

Sure, a lot of scientists believe in A "god" concept....what's your point?

Crash: Also lori....before you even sart commenting ..PLEASE don't ask me to prove I exist...or quote Niels Bohr!!! I've rebutted those lines of thought from you many times in my other forum....I don't care to , nor do I need to see them here. Just a heads up.

lori100: rational scientists believe in God...is love logical? no but people live it...

Crash: "Rational scientists believe in god" Well that's arguable ....definitely. Depending on how you are defining rational. If you are saying that believing in something without evidence , or believing that the entire universe was created by an invisible supernatural being....well I would argue that those scientists are NOT rational.

What do you even mean by ..."is love logical?" ? Love is an emotional state triggered by external forces to release certain chemicals in the brain that make you feel something we have termed as "LOVE." The feeling of "LOVE" is caused by chemicals released in the brain. Therefore "love" is neither Logical or Non Logical...that metric simply doesn't apply. Your question is moot.

lori100: some scientists believe because of their learning more and more of the intricate nature of our body and the universe....all is not logical....but still valid and important...

Crash: I think you have it backwards lori...... Science is in the process of DISPROVING god....not the other way around.


Why do you think the God of the Gaps fallacious argument has gotten progressively smaller over the years??

It's because science is wiping away all the areas in which religion used to profess it had the answers. It is showing religion to be false...more and more and with greater speed and efficiency.

Zanjan: Crash: Love is an emotional state triggered by external forces to release certain chemicals in the brain"

Love is not sexual - it's a magnetic force. Divine love is not an emotional state.

"I'm against any religion that tries to FORCE it's ideology and dogma on others. "

That's totally forbidden by divine law in my religion so, I guess you're not against us.

lori100: Science is not disproving God...the more they learn how all works together in nature the more they believe an intelligent designer is behind it all..

Zanjan: That's why scientists say "The universe has become self-aware (through us) and is asking questions of itself".

Crash: "Love is not sexual - it's a magnetic force. Divine love is not an emotional state."

LOL oh zan....you make me laugh.

I never said love was SEXUAL...lol nice try putting words in my mouth though. haha ...

Leave it to zan to BLATANTLY deny PROVEN science by saying Love is a magnetic force?? LMFAO hilarious ....demonstrate that please zan.

Divine love isn't an emotional state eh? Hmmmm Ok...Demonstrate that please zan. Demonstrate the difference between "regular love" and "Divine love." Then demonstrate that "Divine love" isn't an emotional state.

Go ahead zan...ill wait. LMFAO wow


"That's totally forbidden by divine law in my religion so, I guess you're not against us."

Well that's good zan....I hope Every single member feels the same as you do....can you say for a fact they do? Probably not huh? LOL

Crash: "Science is not disproving God...the more they learn how all works together in nature the more they believe an intelligent designer is behind it all.."

Science is absolutely disproving the Magical...mythical...religious ...supernatural concept of "god" ....that's simply a fact.

Intelligent design theory is not synonymous with "god" let alone your Particular god. Not to mention it is STILL open for MUCH debate. So when you say....Scientists think an intelligent designer might/could be behind it lori....please be honest and qualify your assertion with ..."SOME SCIENTISTS" ...don't make it seem like they all think this way...because that is simply not the case.

Good talk.

lori100: what is magical or supernatural? space travel, lasers, the atom, multiple dimensions? all would seem magical or supernatural to less knowledgable beings... many scientists believe in an intelligent designer...

Zanjan: "I never said love was SEXUAL"

Of course not. You DID say it was caused by chemicals in the brain. I'd say you responded that way because you can't name those chemicals and what they're for.

Romantic love is an attraction to a person one likes, so is brotherly love and love for objects. That attraction can be fickle - we can turn it on and off like tap water. No one has officially located the chemical faucets - we believe they're the eyes.

Divine love is no such thing. It operates independently, whether one is attracted to another or repelled by them. Demonstration: I'm talking to you, aren't I? Oh wait...you told me to talk to the Open Letter. Hey, OL, how are ya? Do you see what I just did there?

".I hope Every single member feels the same as you do....can you say for a fact they do?"

We don't have to feel around because we think first. Yes, we all heartily agree.

Crash: "Of course not - you said it was caused by chemicals in the brain because you can't name those chemicals and what they're for."

ONCE AGAIN Zan...you make nonsense assumptions and only serve to make yourself look like an idiot.

The chemicals are Dopamine, Norepinephrine, and Serotonin!! Happy zan? LOL

I simply didn't write them out....because this is basic knowledge is any High School chemistry class. So I made the apparently incorrect assumption that you went to HS and took a chemistry class. My mistake. These are what are known as the "LOVE CHEMICALS" and are released....well...I already explained it in my above posts....so ...see above.

"Romantic love is an attraction to a person one likes, so is brotherly love and love for objects. That attraction can be fickle - we can turn it on and off like tap water. No one has officially located the chemical faucets - we believe they're the eyes."

Having a Physical attraction to someone....is absolutely NOT the same as "loving" them. Attraction isn't even an EMOTION!! This is SIMPLE PROVEN SCIENCE ZAN. Read a book.

"Divine love is no such thing. It operates independently, whether one is attracted to another or repelled by them. Demonstration: I'm talking to you, aren't I? Oh wait...you told me to talk to the Open Letter. Hey, OL, how are ya? Do you see what I just did there?"

Yes zan...I see what you just did there. You provided another deflection...and a non answer of the question. You demonstrated fuck-all. You simply made a glib remark, and ONCE AGAIN made a not so clever attempt to derail the convo so you wouldn't have to answer. LOL sigh.



"We don't have to feel around because we think first. Yes, we all agree."

I may be going out on a limb here....however unless the believers in your faith number in the single digit ...IE ...1....I am supremely confident you don't know what all of them are thinking.

Good talk.

Zanjan: You might want to check my edit before posting a quote.

Zanjan: "The chemicals are Dopamine, Norepinephrine, and Serotonin!! "

You forgot several of them; Norepinephrine, isnt produced in the brain - its released by the adrenal glands and is not a mood enhancer or pain-killer. Since you didn't say what they're for, thank you for affirming my statement.


"I am supremely confident you don't know what all of them are thinking"

If one of them doesn't know this law, or any other law, they'll be immediately apprised of it - if they still disagree after careful explanation, they'll be administratively disciplined with all their rights removed until such time as they wise up. That sort of person though, would have other disagreements; as such, wouldn't likely get their foot in the door or last more than a few days in our religion.

People come to our religion because they LOVE the laws.

Crash: "You forgot several of them; Norepinephrine, isnt produced in the brain - its released by the adrenal glands and is not a mood enhancer or pain-killer."

I never said they were ALL produced in the brain did I zan? However it ABSOLUTELY IS PRODUCED in the BRAIN....just not ONLY In the brain!! lol...you really need to read up on this topic before making yourself look ignorant. JUUUSST SAYIN.

In the brain, norepinephrine is produced in nuclei that are small yet exert powerful effects on other brain areas. The most important of these nuclei is the locus coeruleus, (sp?) located in the pons.


Norepinephrine ABSOLUTELY effects mood zan! It is a neurotransmitter released in response to stress and serves to ready the body for action.....if that's NOT a mood enhancer zan....tell me what is? LMFAO


"Also, you left out other hormones. Since you didn't say what they're for, thank you for affirming my statement."

I left out MINOR hormones which weren't worth mentioning to further the discussion as the chemicals I mentioned are the MAIN 3!! As I said before zan...this is BASIC HS CHEMISTRY!!! Wow. Also....I didn't think i NEEDED to say what they were for....but apparently you are illiterate as far as the field of Chemistry is concerned ...so if you really need me to spell out and describe everything those chemicals are for I will....just for you sweetie.

So...Statement NOT affirmed....try not to declare yourself the winner of nothing zan...it just serves to make you look retarded.

Simply put zan....as I have just DEMONSTRATED ..."Love" is simply chemicals released in the brain.....there is no MYSTICAL or SUPERNATURAL aspect to it. You have NOT demonstrated that assertion. Hence...it is meaningless.

Like I said zan ...maybe try to let go of that psychopathic need to always be correct...and open your mind once in a while.

Zanjan: I can see that you googled this hormone and stole some words but you didn't really understand the article.

"I left out MINOR hormones which weren't worth mentioning"

Right, there are hormones that are worthless, altogether, having nothing to do with love.

"as I have just DEMONSTRATED ..."Love" is simply chemicals released in the brain"

Could you be more explicit in your demo? Can you please cook up a recipie for a love potion, make someone drink it, or throw in their face? They can testify to its efficacy here.

Crash: "I can see that you googled this hormone and stole some words but you didn't really understand the article. "

Once again nonsense assumptions with no evidence zan....back your truth claim up with evidence please.....demonstrate your claim is true zan. Either that or I will simply dismiss your nonsense for what it is.....an accusation because you are upset that I am destroying your nonsense assertions. Furthermore even if I DID google it....it would STILL not help your narrative WHATSOEVER....so it's a pointless accusation EITHER WAY....LMFAO.

You really gotta stop putting your foot DIRECTLY in your mouth all the time zan It's kinda embarrassing to watch. LOL


"Right, there are hormones that are worthless, altogether, having nothing to do with love."

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm or not......but ....if it was....yes....for the purpose of this argument...it was not necessary to name them ALL zan..... c'mon....knock off the theatrics


"Could you be more explicit in your demo? Can you cook up a recipie for a love potion we could make someone drink, or throw in their face. They can testify to its efficacy here."

STRAW MAN!! (you REALLY like those huh?)

This just demonstrates to me that you either A.) Have ABSOLUTELY NO idea what you are talking about. Or B.) Are simply SOOOO upset that I have destroyed your nonsense once again with logic and facts...that you are going off the rails.

It's probably both.

Zanjan: "Either that or I will simply dismiss your nonsense"

So predictable...for once, why don't you just accept my nonsense??? Be different, liven this place up a bit.

lori100: crash, what is magical or supernatural to you?

Crash: Annnnd we're back to where we started again zan.....with your brain just going all silly. Smh.

Crash: Nothing is magical or supernatural to me lori. Until such time as one can demonstrate it to be so.