Contradictions In The Bible? (Page 2)

Zanjan: Doc: "since this was Judas' own field he had bought, maybe it was sometime before anyone went there and found his body. "

The Book says the Priests bought the field with the blood money that Judas threw back at them - actually, into the Temple. The priests thought blood money was dirty so couldn't be accepted as an offering. That's why they purchased the field with it - good works.

TheDoctor394: True. But we don't know how long it was before they bought the field.

Again, there is some speculation here. :-) Granted.

Zanjan: You know, I think the Priests were well connected, powerful individuals. They could have made that transaction as fast as a runner could message the land owner.

In such a small, densely packed area that was the Biblical Jerusalem, I doubt it would take long to come across a hanging body. They could identify him, right? The smell of death happens in just a few hours ( I can find a dead mouse by next morning); and surely the circling buzzards would clue one in - they can smell it before death happens.

The Jews were a clean people, at least outwardly, and were strict about the law. They didn't depart from it even when Jesus was crucified; and, they hated Him.

Perhaps you've noticed how often the OT uses the term Potter; the Potter's field (for strangers); on behalf of Judas, reminds me of a verse in the OT:

Zechariah 11:13
"And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord."

I sincerely doubt the Priests didn't know about this verse.

Zanjan: I'd like to hear about some other items Chron had on his list - one at a time, of course.

briansmythe: There Is already a Queen Anne Bible for Gays Chron , Prolly came from the UN too tolarence you know

chronology: I don't have much interest at all in marriage Zan, but even none believers think some church goers are 'taking the p@ss' with the number of times they get married and divorced. They seem to feel that if someone get's it wrong the first time and get's divorced fair enough if they marry again, but getting married three or four times is just making a mockery of marriage they say. Personally I have no views on the subject. Surprising how many people in church don't get married, just live with some one, or call round for sex once a week or so.

Zanjan: The point is to be obedient to God - if one can't do that, one will never reap the rewards. Some things are learned only by the doing.

Of course, a little outside help when making a life-long choice of spouse wouldn't hurt. Fifty percent of the population makes very poor decisions in that area.

chronology: No sh/t there Zan. I remember one poor woman complaining that her husband had stolen money from her Credit Card. Some religious whack said to her 'shut up you are being selfish, your body and your money all belong to your husband to treat as he wants' .

Am sorry, but that is rubbing the poor woman's face into her misfortune, no wonder some women detest religion.

shadowline: Remember that remark of St. Augustine's, when someone pointed out to him that a passage from Scripture could be interpreted in more than one way? "The more interpretations the better."

TheDoctor394: Hmm... I'm not sure if that's a good philosophy or not. It depends maybe on what he meant.
While there might, at times, be double meanings in whatever is said, generally words/sentences/passages of any literature have one major meaning, and is unwise to follow the "whatever is true for you, that's what it means" view. It means what it means.

Zanjan: If one is formulating an interpretation, they're automatically wrong. The only time it's necessary is during the process of translating text from one language to another. Interpretation and personal understanding are not the same thing. The former is manipulation, the latter is a gleaning.

God says that every word of Revelation has seventy meanings - that only applies to what the Prophets said (Revealed Word) - that's why you can read the same passage at different times and get something different from it each time. Depends on the degree of experience and situation; deepening is important because God's Word is very compressed.

So, how you understand it is between you and God - there are many levels and many people with different capacities. Too much knowledge can get you into just as much trouble as too little. This is why God measures it out to mankind.

chronology: Reminds me of the argument David Icke with Jessie Venture. Jessie said to David 'if theseLizard people are real, just take me to see one of them or give me some proof' David replied 'I just wrote a book 700 pages long and explained what Reptillians are' . Jessie then says 'you want me to read 700 pages of your book? look if these things are real, just take to see one of them and I will believe you' . David and Jessie started to fall out big time then and David told Jessie to f/ckoff and stormed out.

Jessie explained later 'all I asked him was to show me some proof for these Lizard people, he could not do that, then he tells me to f/ckoff and storms out' .

Zanjan: Good example of why it's best to pick your battles, eh.

chronology: Well Zan in conspiracy theory circles folks were and still are pretty much devided over the argument between Jessie and David. While some stand by Jessie saying if David is going to make claimes like he does he should be prepared to be challenged by Jessie or some other sceptic.

I don't know Zan, I think insisting David provide proof for his Reptillians is like saying 'where is the proof for the Bell Witch down in Tennessee' .

They were regular good Southern folks down in Tennessee who saw the Bell witch haunting, but how could they 'prove' what they saw. Personally I believe the Bell witch story, but of course how could I prove it? I could take Jessie to the Bell witch cave in Tennessee. But Jessie would say 'well all this proves is the family who believed they were haunted lived here, it does not prove any of the events happened'

Jessie said one time 'look no one would be as happy as I would be if there was proof God is real. But I have never seen any proof to support the claim there is any such thing as God. If people want me to believe something without any proof to support their claim, sorry am not going to do that' .

Zanjan: These are the kind that believers leave to themselves when they're not willing to contribute to the intellectual pursuit. They don't have an open ear, don't want to share views or learn. They demand that God do tricks for them in return for their belief and support...as if God holds them to be important to His well-being and survival. They've got it backwards.

Some people just don't know their own place.

Crash: How bout a contradiction of a believers own making ...so to speak. It says no where in the bible that goes DOESN'T send babies to hell. It also says ...that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of god. ALL...not...all except babies. IT ALSO says we are all born into sin. SOOOoooo by that metric...were a baby to die.....it then would go to hell. For the wages of sin are death...so the very fact that a baby CAN die proves it's NOT innocent.

Yet ..most christians I have met and talk to .....insist on something called the age of reason or accountability. Which is ABSOLUTELY NOT in the bible...and is just something the catholic church made up so they could feel better about themselves.

Then Christians followed suit. Because they couldn't let them selves believe that their "loving god" would send babies to hell. That would surely paint their god in a not so flattering light eh? So they contrive something that isn't in the bible ....to distract from the fact...that it clearly says, in the bible that babies go to hell.

Seems like a shitty god to me.

Zanjan: What are you talking about? Accountability is obedience to God - we're all accountable to the authorities and ourselves as well. The Bible is very clear about that; so are other scriptures from all God's religions.

The Bible is speaking to those who have free will - babies have no idea what that is. They're innocent through ignorance.

Isaiah 1: 18 "Come now, let us reason together saith the Lord"

The Bible doesn't say babies go to hell - they haven't reached the age of discernment yet and arent even sure of their own name. Hell is for those who've made a choice through free will - babies can only respond to their instinctive impulses.


Yes, we've all sinned because we were born to learn by our mistakes through freedom of choice. How many times does one have to make the same mistake to learn? We're all different; suffice to say life is to short to make all the mistakes ourselves.

1 John:5:18
"We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."

1 John 3:6
"Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin;+ no one who practices sin has either seen him or come to know him."

John 8: 11
".....And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Zanjan: The weird medieval dogma was easily perpetrated until people became literate. Once they could read for themselves, dogma lost credibility but those traditions were hard to change because the the hierarchy had too much pride. Well, pride goeth before a fall.

It is in falling that people realize they went too far. The Pope has rescinded the "babies go to hell" dogma, saying is was a MISTAKE - first time they've ever admitted an error. They were forced to because they couldn't get any new converts to that absurdity.

Crash: "The Bible is speaking to those who have free will - babies have no idea what that is. They're innocent through ignorance. "

No zan...that is your personal OPINION ...it doesn't say that anywhere in the bible.

"The Bible doesn't say babies go to hell - they haven't reached the age of discernment yet and arent even sure of their own name. Hell is for those who've made a choice through free will - babies can only respond to their instinctive impulses. "

The bible says NOTHING about an "age of discernment" absolutely NOTHING!! That is man made...so christians can give themselves an OUT...and feel better. Also, so they don't have to admit , that seemingly their morals are BETTER than their..."loving gods." As they don't think babies should go to hell. Yet god clearly sends babies to hell.

All have sinned......like i said before zan. It says ALL HAVE SINNED......not,...ALL EXCEPT BABIES. Also....says we are ALL born into sin. ALL...BORN into sin. Hence...if a baby dies..without repenting it goes to hell. That's just simple logic of what the bible says.

None of what you posted is a rebuttal for any of my original statements. If anything it backs up what I said. As you have just blatantly done what I said Christians do. Give their own personal narrative ...because they find it abhorrent to condemn babies.

Maybe that should tell you something about your "loving god." Eh?

Zanjan: "No zan...that is your personal OPINION ...it doesn't say that anywhere in the bible".

No it isn't, it's the opinion of millions of mothers; also confirmed by the Word of God because stupid people need to know. The Bible generally doesn't talk about the obvious. It hasn't mentioned dogs or my car either.

Maybe you should post genuine contradictions in the TEXT. I'm pretty sure Doc didn't intend this topic to address dogma.

Crash:
"No it isn't, it's the opinion of millions of mothers; also confirmed by the Word of God. The Bible generally doesn't talk about the obvious. It hasn't mentioned dogs or my car either."

Wouldn't matter if it was the OPINION of every Christian mother on the planet. It still is a man made OPINION....operative word there zan....OPINION. NOT confirmed by the word of god. Whatsoever.

You can rage and put up straw men all you like zan. My point is still absolutely true and valid BACKED up by scripture. As I have just posted.

I see you leave yourself a nice, however invalid and facile OUT ..when saying the bible doesn't talk about the obvious. LOL .... super transparent that you have no trust in what you're saying whatsoever. haha.

what is obvious is the CONTRARY to your argument. I won't bother posting it again. You can simply scroll up.


Maybe you should actually read the bible ...and not try to insert what you WANT it to say....rather than what it ACTUALLY says.

Zanjan: "NOT confirmed by the word of god. Whatsoever. "

It is in Baha'i scriptures. Your slip is showing. It seems you have no time to search actual text.

Crash: I would think you would have grown tired of me demolishing your facile idiot posts by now zan. This happens every time. EVERY time I respond to one of your dumbass justifications....I absolutely destroy you. With evidence from the bible. Must be embarrassing for you.

Zanjan: "This happens every time."

Then why do you foolishly respond to my posts? Did the devil make you do it?

Crash: And there it is ......what you do every time.... Ad homs and frustrated snarkiness when you are absolutely and completely destroyed by me on an argument. Stick with crocheting .....you might actually be better at that.