Open Christian Vs. Atheist Debate. With Special Guests...The Deflection Artist and The Post Deleter! (Page 5)

Crash: I do lori. I have measurable , subjective evidence that I exist. In the reality that we are based in...and are experiencing right now. I have evidence that I exist.

lori100: they often do...when there is documented evidence saying remote viewing works they still deny it is possible....

lori100: show the evidence...

Crash: lets take one topic at a time shall we. Would you like me to respond to the remote viewing post or provide you evidence that I exist?

lori100: prove you exist

Crash: Based in our reality that we exist in, I know I exist from a number of factors. I interact and can change my external world. I can converse with other beings in said reality. Other beings can converse with me. I have senses that can be tested and measured. There are photographic and biological documents attesting to my existence. I have friends and family that also can attest to my existence. Both through interaction and Induction.

Now....if you want me to prove that I exist TO YOU....well that is a different matter. Because in your subjective view. I could simply be a program on a computer. That is unless you physically meet me.

Does that sufficiently answer your query?

lori100: no...where is the proof?...fake documents, fake statements from friends...fake...

Crash: see you lost me. I just described it to you. what exactly do you want? I don't understand what you are getting at. Are you saying that if I came up and shook your hand and talked to you ....you wouldn't believe that I existed until i proved it to you?

Because if that's the case you might want to consider medication. Not trying to be glib, however I'm not sure what "proof" , other than what I just provided you with, you are seeking?

Crash: see... I think i might know where you are going with this. But your argument falls apart the first time that you see me in person. So...are you saying ....Prove to you that I exist...without me meeting or coming into physical contact with you? Is that what you are trying to convey?

lori100: your existence is just hearsay...where is the proof?.........just as athiests deny miracles and God...

lori100: you could be a ghost...or a hallucination..

lori100: what evidence would convince you that God exists?

Crash: ok lori...if you would be so kind and do me a favor. Either type more in your posts than one sentence. or Pm me. but most of all can we keep it to one topic at a time. I was trying to clarify your first question. My existence. I don't believe that conversation was over yet

lori100: -----"If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” -― Niels Bohr, Essays 1932-1957 on Atomic Physics and Human Knowledge --------scientists question what is real...some say we live in simulation.....what is real?

lori100: ok you have no evidence of your existence...what evidence would prove to you that God exists?

Crash: ok...lori...if you are going to jump from topic to topic....and not let me answer anything...then this conversation is pointless. LOL I'm still trying to explain the existence question...and you are jumping all over the place.

Crash: Ok lori...you gotta stop...either pm me or allow me to answer a single question in it's entirety before you post another. Deal?

lori100: go ahead

Crash: OOOKKKK ....taking it back to the question of my existence. As I was trying to ask you to clarify. Are you asking me to prove I exist at all, in general. Or are you asking me to prove I exist TO YOU personally without me meeting you in person. Lets start there. Which one. And don't say both..because that's a non sequitur and cannot be done. Ok ...go.

lori100: prove you exist at all

Crash: Ok...then my response would be my original post. See above. That is proof that I exist. To me..and to the people that know me. In the subjective reality that we inhabit.

lori100: not enough...moving on....what evidence would convince you that God exists.?......I have repeatedly asked athiests this and never gotten an answer...

Crash: lol hang on lori....you can't just arbitrarily say not enough then move on...that's really not how debates work. lol. You seem very hyper....too much coffee? Anyways....I shall rebut your "Not enough" with this simple axiom.

Proof presupposes a person doing the proving, right? So, asking for proof that I exist presupposes that I exist. There you go.


Moving on what evidence would convince me that God exists.

Can you elaborate. What God? God is a generic term. Can you give me specifics. Or are you simply referring to the Christian god of the bible?

lori100: God of the bible

Crash: Then , if I'm being honest. I really don't know lori. Given the state of our technology today. Give the possibilities of technologies beyond our comprehension.....I honestly do not have an answer on that for you. Arthur C. Clarke said it best...and I think it's relevant here. "Any sufficiently advanced technology , is indistinguishable from magic." Or in this case... "God." Speaking from a standpoint of feats or acts that cannot be understood.

So...I mean I hope that answers your question. Now I could see a being appear to me and say they were "God." Or "Angels" However, that doesn't make it so. They could simply have more advance technology than us. Beyond our understanding. Now while it may be true that they could TECHNICALLY BE GODLIKE in a sense.

If would in no way mean that it was the "Christian god of the bible."

So to brass tax it....I don't know what evidence would convince me.