Rejected God's Word For Man's Authority

Auphirah: The Word is my nourishment, strength, power, anointing authority, and the root of my foundation. Why are people following man's authority instead of God's Word. The pastor is a vessel of God to deposit teachings of Word into the people that pastor does not has final authority. Why such distaste for God's Word when it is used for purpose of teaching, instructions, commandments, statues, laws, prophet writings and living water power. People have taken the Word of God to debate about the Old & New Covenants when there is only one covenant which is obedience of the Word. Where did this confusion come from over the Word of God? What will believers say to God about being disobedient to God's Word because he or she was following man's authority? The Word of God is not just speaking of the those in the past, but also the present believers who says they are the House of Israel by birth or adopted! Lets learn from our fore fathers and mothers mistakes, disobedience and corrections from God. I am speaking to myself also! Since the beginning man has been rejecting the Word of God because God has sent many prophets and even rejected Jesus(WORD)! Who will you follow God or man authority because the choice is yours?

Psalm 81

8 I said, ‘Listen, my people!
I will warn you!
O Israel, if only you would obey me!
9 There must be no other god among you.
You must not worship a foreign god.
10 I am the Lord, your God,
the one who brought you out of the land of Egypt.
Open your mouth wide and I will fill it!’
11 But my people did not obey me;
Israel did not submit to me.
12 I gave them over to their stubborn desires;
they did what seemed right to them.
13 If only my people would obey me!

Auphirah: Psalm 50

A psalm by Asaph

16 God says this to the evildoer:
“How can you declare my commands,
and talk about my covenant?
17 For you hate instruction
and reject my words.
18 When you see a thief, you join him;
you associate with men who are unfaithful to their wives.
19 You do damage with words,
and use your tongue to deceive.
20 You plot against your brother;
you slander your own brother.
21 When you did these things, I was silent,
so you thought I was exactly like you.
But now I will condemn you
and state my case against you!
22 Carefully consider this, you who reject God!
Otherwise I will rip you to shreds
and no one will be able to rescue you.

1 Thessalonians 4

7 For God did not call us to impurity but in holiness.8 Consequently the one who rejects this is not rejecting human authority but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.

Acts 7


35 This same Moses they had rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and judge?’ God sent as both ruler and deliverer through the hand of the angel who appeared to him in the bush.

Matthew 16

21 From that time on Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.

Mark 8

31 Then Jesus began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Zanjan: "...about the Old & New Covenants when there is only one covenant which is obedience of the Word."

There's actually more than one Covenant. You're referring to the Basic Covenant - obedience to the Word of God. It begins with an offer - God says 'IF you do this for Me, I'll do this for you'. The people who want in agree and sign up; that seals the deal.

As with any contract, when one party fails to meet its conditions, the other party is not obligated to fulfill their duty so, the contract is automatically voided. This relationship is now broken. However, God is a treasure so He offers His contract to a different people, who are most willing. Thus, it's not the old Covenant re-newed, it's a Covenant made with different participants, new people.

There is also the extended Covenant - that is, a promise God makes to mankind. He says He will *never* leave man alone and will *always* continue to send them another Divine Messenger when the time is right. He makes this promise to all humanity, including unbelievers.

For those who've signed the Basic Covenant, the extended Covenant is a bit like getting comprehensive coverage - that is, God will send the Divine Messenger to His own people FIRST. In return for this favour, His people are required to accept that Messenger. If they renege, the current contract with this people is in serious jeopardy of collapsing.

NOTE: Since the beginning of written history, each new Covenant has another responsibility added, a new commandment and lesson to be learned. It's in the fine print, eh. This could be one reason individuals don't accept the new Covenant - they're still working on their old lessons and aren't ready to graduate.

Zanjan: "Why are people following man's authority instead of God's Word?"

By "man's authority", are you referring to civil law? If so, not a lot of people follow those. To wit: the daily plethora of traffic violations and weekly variety of robberies, threats and murders.

God has said to obey the laws of the land. We know men made them but if one can't obey these lower laws, how can they hope to submit to the higher laws? The word 'obedience' is anathema to such people.

If you're referring to scholars and the clergy, no one obeys them but people submit to certain beliefs they promote because they fear they'll appear unintelligent if they didn't support an official authority on text. Makes me wonder how many bad dentists they went to before they found a good one.

Religious institutions, on the other hand, are the rulers - religious adherents must obey any law they make whether they like it or not. This is to prevent the organization from becoming a circus. Makes sense.

"Where did this confusion come from over the Word of God?"

Primarily from mixing in the writings of men with the Revelation - people couldn't tell the difference. Muhammad was the first to fix that. However, it didn't stop adherents from interpreting the Word according to their own desires - it wasn't meant to. Understanding has many levels and people have varying capacities to comprehend.

Auphirah: Explain Paradise to me in Islam because I am confuse about it?

Zanjan: Which version do you want? Assertions by the kooks, extracts from absurdities in the hadith? Or what the Quran says?

Islam is in the Quran only.

What it says of paradise is very similar to what the Bible says. It's a garden of delights and nearness to God where there is only peace and happiness, rest, loving companionship, beauty and glory. There are none of the cares of this world, no hunger and no more death. It's a wider spiritual plane of existence with no comparison to the earthly world; as such, a few figures of speech are necessary to convey a feel for it.

The Quran also makes a clear distinction between this earthly world and that of the Hereafter. One thing is the same - that there is a veil, a division line separating those who dwell in hell's fires and those who dwell in heaven. They can see each other but can't cross the barrier. These people are not equal with each other. Only those who dwell in paradise are successful.

The Quran doesn't insist that one has to pass on to the Hereafter to experience paradise but, to enter, one must go through the Gates, either one of them or all of them.

Some Muslims believe there are 8 Gates while others believe there are 12. Some Muslims believe these Gates represent spiritual virtues acquired while others believe these Gates are God's appointed Messengers.

I think you're best to stick with what's consistent through all the Holy Books. Countless are the people who interpret but none of them know anything about it until they've entered.

duncan124:

It is interesting that the Bible ran in to the same problem the Americans did.

Zanjan: What - foreigners?

Zanjan: Moses and the Israelites were illegal aliens who won their citizenship the hard way.

Eventually, His people were deported for misconduct - twice. Finally, they got their green card, legally........that didnt happen in the Bible but they said it would.

duncan124:

I meant people not following the word.

" You do damage with words,and use your tongue to deceive. You plot against your brother; you slander your own brother. When you did these things, I was silent,so you thought I was exactly like you."

Zanjan: So, the American Dream fizzled into a ghostly apparition?

Zanjan: "I was silent,so you thought I was exactly like you."

It's important to mind your own business and not gossip; yet, it's also important to know when to speak. We all know what happens to those who blow the whistle.

All that's needed for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing.

Auphirah: In my small town, I am called a TROUBLE MAKER because I advocate for those who do not have a voice. Those who control the SYSTEM cannot stand me because the DARK ONES will plot, scheme, even try to destroy those of LIGHT, but I am PROTECTED!

Zanjan: Exactly. As the Quran says, "God does not guide the wrong-doer".

There's a cost for doing what's right yet, thankfully, there will always be some who are more than willing to pay it, no matter how great. If the heart is in the right place, even fools are protected.

When I was young, I was a real spitfire, getting very emotional about such injustices. Right is right so, being inexperienced, I defiantly rebelled. Well, those experiences taught me something - that I'd used my mouth inefficiently.

There was a better way - first, to think carefully from all angles, meeting both ruthless and neglectful on their own turf. I learned how to work with the system, to read their needs too. Thus was my transformation from rebel to revolutionary.

Nothing moves mountains so much as discovering there's somebody who's clearly got something better than you do.

friendlyguy9: i want to learn from you Zanjan

Zanjan: Well, you can learn a lot by diving into all the topics in the religion forum. I don't care for debate but I do love well-meaning contributions so I read every topic and post in most of them. Many heads are so much better than one.

The best advice I can give you is not to view people as "others" - a person you haven't met or heard of isn't a stranger; they're a member of your family. Someone you don't like is not your enemy; someone who hurts you is a friend who doesn't know it yet. God created each and every one of them so when you engage them, remember their value to Him.

friendlyguy9: ok