Near Death and Out of Body Experiences (Page 17)

lori100: "Recollections of Death"---a vietnam triple amputee vet had a nde from his surgery....he later had out of body experiences, flew around his neighborhood..............he visited his female neighborhood out of body when she was in the shower...the next day she told him she had felt him in the shower with her lolll

Zanjan: Oh well, we all enter the next world naked. Since we can't take anything with us except our memories, my memory will be of my body as it was when I was 22 years old! (before I had kids)

chronology: Zan, you walking around the Astral Plain as a naked 22 year old. You will be having the men on wire feeling very restless.

Zanjan: LOL. On the astral plane, I think I'm just a glowing fuzzy light to others.

TheismIsUntenable: This whole thread is cringe.

TheismIsUntenable: "there's no evidence of false memories"

So Kavanaugh actually is a rapist then?

Zanjan: There most certainly is plenty of evidence of false memories - science has rigorously tested that. They concluded that the brain doesn't hold details well, it drops them over time. Science also proved hypnosis was unreliable; the level of consciousness is a form of dream state, not of an alert and present mind.

lori100: ---seems like out of body during the flight-----Lindbergh slipped into an altered state of consciousness that to him seemed both wakefulness and sleep.

He was conscious of being three elements: body, which was fatigued; mind, which made decisions; and spirit, a driving force that told him sleep was not needed, and that his body would be sustained through relaxation.

While he was in this twilight state, he became aware that the fuselage behind him was filled with ghostly presences that were humanlike but vaguely outlined, transparent and seemingly weightless. They did not appear suddenly. One moment, they were not present, another moment they were, as if they had always been there. Lindbergh, who felt caught in some “unearthly age of time,” was not surprised or afraid.

In ” The Spirit of St. Louis” he states: ” Without turning my head, I see them as clearly as though in my normal field of vision. There’s no limit to my sight— my skull is one great eye, seeing everywhere at once.-----------------These phantoms speak with human voices—friendly, vaporlike shapes, without substance, able to vanish or appear at will, to pass in and out through the walls of the fuselage as though no walls were there. Now, many are crowded behind me. Now, only a few remain. First one and then another presses forward to my shoulder to speak above the engine’s noise, and then draws back among the group behind.

At times, voices come out of the air itself, clear yet far away, traveling through distances that can’t be measured by the scale of human miles; familiar voices, conversing and advising on my flight, discussing problems of my navigation, reassuring me, giving me messages of importance unattainable in ordinary life.”

The ability of the spirits to appear and disappear; their friendly demeanor and helpful advice; and their imparting of mystical wisdom “unattainable in ordinary life” are all characteristic of angelophanies, as well as encounters with other types of spirit beings.

Lindbergh seemed to associate them, however, with the dead, for he often wondered whether he had crossed the boundary between life and death and was in the land of the dead.

As his altered state continued, Lindbergh felt weightless himself, independent of physical laws: “I’m almost one with these vaporlike forms behind me, less tangible than air, universal as aether. I’m still attached to life; they, not at all; but at any moment some thin band may snap and there’ll be no difference between us.”

Lindbergh also offers a description of the beings that makes them sound archetypal:

“The spirits have no rigid bodies, yet they remain human in outline form—emanations from the experience of ages, inhabitants of a universe closed to mortal men. I’m on the borderline of life and a greater realm beyond, as though caught in the field of gravitation between two planets, acted on by forces I can’t control, forces too weak to be measured by any means at my command, yet representing powers incomparably stronger than I’ve ever known.”

The experience changed his views about life after death. He said that death no longer seemed final, but rather the entrance to a “new and free existence which includes all space, all time.”

Source: Encyclopedia of Angels by Rosemary Ellen Guiley

The post Flying with Angels: The Curious Story of Charles Lindbergh appeared first on Anomalien.com.

ghostgeek: So he was off with the fairies because he needed a kip. A not uncommon experience when overly fatigued.

chronology: Lori, I posted about this on my Trivia Thread years ago.

Mr Lindbergh faced a very long flight. One way to cope was with Amphithemine pills. Who knows how many pills he took but there is nothing unusual about pilots seeing all kinds of weird and out there things.

Amphetamine pills were probably the cause of the sad event in California just after WW2 where around a dozen Marines and the flight crew of a DC 3 flying out to Japan all turned on each other and killed everyone on board.

Officially this incident never happened, the plane managed to return to the california airstrip. But the pilot died before he explain what sent everyone crazy and stab each other with beyonetts. Sounds like a scene from the Jacobs Ladder movie.

lori100: no evidence

chronology: Lori. Sorry but Lindbergh's experience is a textbook case of Amphetamine intoxication. Most likely he used a bad batch of the stuff.

Am the first to give people who have seen odd thing's a fair hearing, and not dismiss their experience. But when you have a pilot on a very long extended flight, most likely using amphetamine pills to keep going, saying he saw pixie's climbing around his cockpit. Well that does seem 'case closed' .

The sightings of Little People in Alaska are not so easy to dismiss. No drugs were involved. The witnesses are often rock solid folks, down to earth and not seeking attention.

Alaska has also provided some of the best report's of Shape Shifter's.

lori100: no

chronology: Lori. Am a believer that this world has a secret hidden side, 'The Occult' , but sometimes, the most simple explanation is the real one. One time I was visiting a Guy who was in hospital. He told me about the gnomes who came to visit him before he fell asleep each night. They would sit smiling at him at the end of his bed.
The Guy was being dosed with some heavy duty opioid pain killers. Clearly it was the opium that was creating the gnome vision's. Am certain people have seen some odd Gnome like beings, but most of the time it is a result of drug's or just hallucinations.

lori100: This guy worked with James Brown and others, in nde his dead mother told him a gay bouncer would hit on him but told him dont fight him he's a psychopath , he was later charged with manslaughter...and a girlfriend would lie trying to get pregnant., and had 3 kids she never told him about...mom said she was only allowed to tell him a week in advance and an angel answered his questions but said he wasn't allowed to remember the answers.....all came true

lori100: ^^^ in his later nde he learned there is no right or wrong, it is all perception and all 'wrong' acts are evolving to love, earth is for experience, all lower their vibration to get to earth, we are expressions of God, there is no hell, people create it with their belief........he is now able to give psychic readings of people and has premonitions

TheismIsUntenable: "an angel answered his questions but said he wasn't allowed to remember the answers"

LOL

lori100: that is common, when we go to earth we must forget the other side to focus on this experience......ancient egyptians said we cross the 'river of forgetfullness' when going to the earth

lori100: when people are preparing to incarnate on earth they plan their life, good and bad, but are not allowed to remember the plan on a conscious level

chronology: Lori. Remembering what happens in a Out of Body State is extremely difficult without skilled help.

It is because in the dimension we live in our bodily existence, memories are encoded in the brain using the 5 senses and the brains normal way of recording information through brain cells etc.

When we are asleep the brains 'conscious' network shuts down and is no longer recording much in the usual ways. There have been some interesting American studies showing how consciousness returns to the mind when we wake from the sleep state. It is interesting to watch how the brain begins connecting up different parts of the brain like a telephone network linking up to begin the process of being aware after sleep.
However, everything that was experienced during any Out of body activity during sleep is within the memory of the Astral body and is not accessible to the conscious mind without the skilled work of people who know how to access the memories.

You could have numerous friends and a lifestyle on the Astral plane and be unaware of any of them when you are awake

There are similar problems with observing the dimension we live on in our physical bodies. Our eyes in the Astral body are not adjusted to seeing the physical world properly.

Zan says she can remember everything she does when in the Astral Body. Other people do as well.

I don't know Lori. To think people can travel to Washington and sit in the Offices of the FBI and listen to everything that goes on there and then remember it seems so unlikely. Most likely places like the FBI are protected by some kind of psychic Firewall that keeps people from just going where ever they want to when in the Astral State.

But hey, if a conman can convince some spy agency he can sit in on FBI staff coffee breaks etc in Washington headquarters he could probably make a fortune. But as said, personally I think the FBI is firewalled off limits.

I have heard of people walking into those firewalls on the Astral. It is said to be really unpleasant. Like getting struck by a Taiser.

chronology: This I don't read or respond to anything you post.

lori100: I haven't heard of the firewalls, some choose not to invade privacy though

lori100: theis , no bad language and abuse .....there is a lot of weird stuff in the universe and multi verses

TheismIsUntenable: "Most likely places like the FBI are protected by some kind of psychic Firewall that keeps people from just going where ever they want to when in the Astral State."