Near Death and Out of Body Experiences (Page 13)

David Nathaniel: To be truly wise to reality one must study the holy scriptures in their original Hebrew and Greek forms.

The word "Satan" is taken from the Hebrew "el shaytan" and simply means "adversary" and not some sooty two horned cloven footed trident bearing mythical creature presiding over a fantasy Hell.

Jesus called Judas "a" devil and Peter "a" satan, they are titles not creatures, learn to differentiate!

Satan and or the devil as a mythical creature construct comes from " The superstition of Damonia."

Hell was mistranslated from the words "sheol" and "hades" which simply mean "grave" that's all; there's no fiery pit of eternity as the religious apostates would have you believe. Flames symbolically denote Judgement not an actual literal fiery pit of eternal torment. The heart of the law is "mercy" and an eternal fire and torment violates the heart of the law lending the lie to the scriptures that state God is a God of love and mercy.

The Greek mythology crept into the early church and corrupted it with the superstition of demons extensively active in the churches today; an erroneous doctrine.

There's no such thing as "Ghosts."

Flesh is a battery. When it dies the spark of consciousness dies with it. After the flesh as been resurrected and the spark re-ignited all the memories prior to death return to give an account of its life for judgement. God translates it to eternity predicated on repentance of that which leads to death.
Failure in this leads to the biblically named "second death" which is total annihilation and not a pit of firey torment for all eternity as the mistranslated bibles propagandise.

When you are dead you are dead, man does not have an immortal spirit in his mortal flesh. "Immortal soulism" is not biblical and makes a mockery of the resurrection.

"Immortal soulism" is the sophistry of the serpent.
The serpent implies to Eve that she will not die; this is the germinating seed of immortal soulism of the religions.

Jesus is the Prototype blueprint of the end result of Gods divine project of creating man in his own image and likeness; immortal. Till complete man is mortal only.

The fleshly mind of man is the mind of the serpent with its *"Lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and the pride of life."* When you see these 3 in man that is *sin*
The *devil* is fleshly man, *satan* is man as an adversary to God and *demons* are man's *superstitions;* anything more than this is the rantisms of the *Antichrist religions.*

Jesus recognised flesh as the devil and willingly had it crucified for the faithful.

The "devil" is man and proves who he is everyday in court when he asks you to swear on the bible.
Matthew 5v.34 But I say, do not swear on anything, v.37 Just say a simple, Yes or No. Anyone who asks you to swear is working for the devil.
Devilling - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(legal)

Treasury Devil. The "Treasury Devil" is the colloquial term for the First Junior Treasury Counsel (Common Law), a private practitioner barrister who represents Her Majesty's Government in the civil courts. It was a tradition that the Treasury Devil was made a High Court Judge after the end of his term in office.

When we consider that the clerical devil does not exist except as a mythical fictional constituent of the "superstition of damonia" then we can only conclude that the Christ was referring to the law administration of the authorities of this world. Little wonder then that Christ warns the early Christians in Rev ch 2 v 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, *the devil shall cast some of you into prison,* that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Now, in the light of scripture who as the power to cast into prison?
*ANSWER* >
The man *devil* the devil *man* more potent when in official office.

The word "angel" simply means messenger and can be either celestial or terrestrial but only the terrestrial angel can be fallen.
Lucifer is a title bestowed upon the King of Babylon "morning star" and was cast out of the political heavens, learn to differentiate. The sun is the ruling power of the government.
When you read of angels falling or being cast out of heaven it is terrestrial angels being cast out of human political heavens to the common earth. Its not mythical.

Giants, men of renown is simply referring to powerful religious and political leaders that's all. They are descriptive metaphors not to be taken literally.
"Unclean spirits" is a metaphor denoting unclean wilful intentions of man's own vain fleshly mind and its musings.

Christianity by law established is *"antichrist."*

"Anti" is Greek for substitute and therefore the "antichrist" power of revelation is a substitute Christ on Earth. Substitute Christ power on Earth is non other than VATICAN.
The pope is the false prophet of the book of Revelation make no mistake.

The vain idea of "demons" is simply man passing the buck, like Adam blaming God for making Eve, and Eve blaming God for the serpent. Oh its never me says man. When Jesus cast out demons it was the "superstition of demons" he cast out not actual demons with the simple truth that they are superstitious inventions hence Christs words *" Even the demons know who I am and tremble"* Christ is the *"truth."*

Churches that teach the superstition of demons are a factory for churning out mental cases. The churches and the religion of psychiatry are hand in glove.
The clergy are in the pay of the world while admitting the prince of the world is the devil so who or what is paying their wages according to their own words?
The "superstition of demons" pays their wages, invented by the devil which is man.
Take away the mythical devil, demons and hell and the churches would have no power to excite the mind. The clergies are in co-partnership with their mythical construct.

Man is born of flesh and flesh being the devil man is born of the devil hence the need to become born again of the spirit. To be adopted of God the father of immortals.
The English word "devil" comes from the Greek "diabolos" which Paul uses as a title for sin in flesh. The devil is man.
Sin entered through one man therefore man is the author of sin and not a mystical clerical devil nor God. Man is older than sin.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men *ONCE* to die, but after this the judgment:
Rev ch 2 v 11,
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the ecclesias; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Sin is in flesh only. there is no sin in an angelic immortal being. Sin is only related to "flesh." And sin being the devil having the power of death is in flesh. After your bodily resurrection you are judged and if found disapproved your newly resurrected body will die the biblically named *"second death"* and no eternal life granted.
There is a "day of resurrection" in the future when all in their graves will come out and be judged. That's biblical. Immortal soulism is not biblical except in mistranslations and makes a mockery of the spirit inspired scriptural resurrection.

Jeremiah 30:11 I am with you and will save you,' declares the LORD. 'Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you but only in due measure; I will not let you go entirely unpunished.'

Jesus will destroy the devil and the works of the devil at his coming advent. That means all flesh and blood including its governments and religions will be purged from the Flat Earth at the conclusion of Christs millennial reign. "That's biblical."
God bless!

Zanjan: That's terribly verbose and irrelevant. Wait until you die then come back and tell us how your trip went.

lori100: interesting---space shuttle disaster viewed from the recent past...the colonel went out of body to help...--the Monroe Institute--------military colonel's 's experience with the crew from the doomed space shuttle through his training at the Institute..----- (TMI Focus, Vol. XXIV, No. 3 & 4, Summer/Fall 2003)

Space Shuttle Columbia Retrieval

by Col. Douglas M. Black, USMC, retired

Colonel Douglas M. Black, USMC, retired, has worked in the commercial and defense information technology industries and has been a student of TMI methods for over a decade. He has attended four residential programs, including LIFELINE®. Doug is active in the Dolphin Energy Club, which supports healing, and recently joined the Professional Division. In his memoir, Finding My Way, Colonel Black highlights his personal journey of spiritual discovery through his training in and application of the Hemi-Sync® technology. He and his wife, Leslie, currently live in Salisbury, North Carolina, where he writes.

At 9:30 A.M. EST, on February 1, 2003, Leslie took a phone call from our son Jonathon. He said that space shuttle Columbia had been lost during reentry over Texas. I had not paid any attention to this flight or to the space program in general for several years, but I immediately felt a compelling sense of urgency to work the LIFELINE® process. Immediately I went to my bedroom, closed all doors, set the fan on medium, put on my headphones (connected to nothing), lay down, and began my cool-down period. An overwhelming sense of grief made this particularly difficult. Tears seeped from the corners of my eyes and slipped gently down my cheeks into my beard. All loss of life hits hard. However, loss of military personnel involved in high-profile national and international missions is the hardest for me to minister to and usually evokes intense emotion. Cool-down took about ten minutes. I followed standard LIFELINE procedures and finished at 10:00 A.M.

During the session, I coordinated with my guide, Thomas, who indicated there was work to be done. After proceeding to Focus 15,1 rolled back the time sequence to just before the shuttle breakup and joined the crew in the main cabin—standing just behind the pilot. The windscreen was filled with the yellow-orange flame of reentry friction and the entire vehicle was buffeted roughly.1

I asked to “see” the issue that would cause the disaster and was instantly viewing gaseous fumes seeping out of an upright panel that appeared to be an equipment storage locker. I then asked, “What does this mean?” The answer came, “There has been a mistake made by a crew member, an experiment was not stowed properly and once the gas reaches a spark, it will explode.2 This is a known issue but is considered to be of little significance.”3 (As always, the speaker is unidentified. It’s my habit to go with the data and trust the process. I certainly know virtually nothing about space flight or the workings of a shuttle.)

At that moment there was a violent yaw to the left and then to the right. The yaw continued on into a complete roll to the right, and the shuttle came apart.4 The bulk of the flaming wreckage continued down and away from us at a terrific speed, leaving the crew suspended in midair with a panoramic, beautiful view of the earth. Then it was suddenly quiet, absolutely quiet. I sensed one or maybe two females and perhaps six or seven males floating in a sitting position.5 They appeared to be glassy-eyed and semi-dazed but remained in a tight formation.

I consciously approached the commander, a middle-aged man with an “R”-sounding name.6 He was very distraught. He obviously grasped the magnitude of what had just transpired and was frantically reproaching himself for making an “error.”7 I spoke up and told him that he could not have prevented it. A small error got out of hand at an unfortunate juncture in the reentry sequence.

“Who are you?” he demanded in a distracted manner.

“I’m Colonel Black, USMC.”

“I don’t have a Marine Corps colonel on my crew,” he replied with a pained and confused expression.

“You do now,” I replied. “I’m here to help you move on to your next location if you want the help.”

He gave me a penetrating stare, looked around at the others, and then turned back to me. “We’re dead, aren’t we?” he stated in resignation, but quietly, as though he didn’t want to disturb the rest of the crew, who floated nearby but took no notice of our conversation.

“Dead is a highly overrated assessment, but, yes, your shuttle is gone and your bodies with it,” I replied gently—keeping direct eye contact all the while.

“What is it you do?” he asked, as he struggled to comprehend the situation.

“I’m a volunteer who comes to events such as this and offers to provide some company as you travel to your next location.”

“Are you dead, too?” he managed to ask.

“No, I’m not,” I replied simply.

He eyed me quizzically. Two and two were not adding up to four, but he seemed too fatigued and distracted to try to sort it all out.

At that moment four “family members” approached our location from above; they reached out and made contact with one of the women and another of the crew. (I did not get a strong enough impression to tell if the other crew member was a male or a female.) They shortly began to pull away from the tight little group. As they rose up and away the commander jolted himself to action. “Hey, where are they going with my crew?” “It’s OK,” I reassured him. “They are probably deceased family members who are familiar to those crew members. It’s common for ‘dead’ people to be met by family members or dear friends. Because this was an unexpected event, it took them a while to get here. In many cases they are waiting at the bedside.”

A look of vague understanding crossed his face; some things were starting to make sense.

“I see,” he said pensively. “What about us?”

“That is where I come in, if you desire the help.”

“Well, sure, I guess so,” he replied.

“Fine,” I said, “then join hands and follow me.”

“Wait,” he said, in a sudden burst of linear thought. “What about our families? We’ll want to see them.”

“Don’t worry,” I reassured him, “you can visit them whenever you like.”

“How?” he demanded.

“By simply thinking of them,” I replied. “Think of them and you’ll be with them.”

He relaxed, satisfied for the moment, as we all joined hands and turned our gaze upward. Then I noticed three bright yellow, teardrop-shaped figures approaching from below. Although traveling independently, they were definitely converging on our location. While studying this unusual event I heard the commander say, “Those more of your folks?”

“Why do you say that?” I asked.

“They have on the same yellow space suit or covering,” was his matter-of-fact reply. (This “yellow covering” was mentioned to me while dealing with the Russian submarine Kursk disaster. This may be how others perceive our Resonant Energy Balloons (REBALS). Also, the others felt like TMI folks.)

“Yes,” I said, “those are some of my associates from Monroe, here to assist, too.”

With the astronauts linked hand-in-hand and the newly arrived Monroe helpers on either side and in the rear, we got under way. Thomas suggested the central tunnel entrance to Focus 27. “We are ready,” he confirmed in a somber but confident tone. We moved rapidly and without incident up through all the Focus levels. They flew by at breakneck speed, and we soon emerged into the bright sunlight and brilliantly blue sky of Focus 27.

As we slowed and settled on the cloudy surface, several figures started toward us. I released my grip on the pilot’s hand and receded to the background, standing to the right of Thomas. We watched quietly. The Columbia’s crew haltingly walked toward the approaching group of perhaps three dozen people. Suddenly I recognized Alan Shepard in the silver space suit he wore for his first suborbital flight. Shepard stepped up with a big smile and gave the commander a hearty handshake and a reassuring pat on the back. His eyes were locked intently on the new arrival, almost as if he was “grounding” him. Also, Shepard looked about forty years old, in his prime. “Well done and welcome,” he said in a firm voice.

Others from Shepard’s group stepped forward, each warmly greeting one of the newcomers. It soon looked like two fighter squadrons meeting at the officer’s club for a drink after a day of hard training. Some of the group wore the space suits of Russian cosmonauts. Talk became more and more animated and cries of recognition were heard as the newcomers became more aware and accustomed to their new environment.

Thomas and I watched with great fascination from the sidelines. “This is real nice,” I managed, as waves of emotion rolled over me. To avoid loss of control I tried to focus on useful data collection. “What are the qualifications for the welcoming committee?” Thomas replied, “Volunteers, like most everywhere else, but they must have played a significant role in the space program in Time and Space. It’s a real plus if they gave their life for the cause.”

“I’m overwhelmed by the pure humanity of it. It’s real nice,” I repeated, as my voice failed me and tears streamed from my physical eyes. My thoughts turned to the countries that had lost astronauts in this accident. I sent waves of comforting love to the families and then to the nations of those brave souls.

“These risky multinational endeavors dared on the part of all people have a real value in binding one nation to another,” said Thomas. I’m certain he was trying to help me see the bigger picture

Zanjan: Flights of fancy can go to strange places but are of no help to anyone else.

lori100: I think it was a real encounter....it is common that people who are out of body help the recently deceased...

Zanjan: An out of body experience is not the same thing as the death experience. They're entirely different dimensions.

The first is on a mental plane (where there's a bit of mind control). An out of body experience doesn't require a guide and one doesn't know where they're going, despite having a will to go to a certain place. The episode is short, occurs in real time, and "gravity" pulls the individual back. No one on earth can see them, although there's a bit of folk evidence that babies, young children, and possibly cats can.

The second is full separation of the soul (no control); that soul no longer has feelings for or attachment to his body. Some people have reported they can "feel" or sense something in the room the exact moment a person's soul leaves them when they die.
There have been many confirmed reports of the terminally ill seeing visions of deceased loved ones a few days or hours before they pass away.

These two events can't occur simultaneously. It's one or the other.

I'm pretty sure the astronauts were unconscious or dead almost immediately. They'd enter the Hereafter, alone, to stand before their Maker, not have a conversation with one of their crewmates or some stranger that was still alive on earth.

What the guy described sounds like lucid dreaming.

chronology: Zan, a lot of these stories may prove pretty embarressing to some folks. Am now convinced that American Shuttle Flights were all Drone Flights. No am not dissing NASA, virtually every other Space Agency has been found to be 'hoaxing' ISS space video interviews and TV specials.

NASA is getting into Orbital Space, they are just not making public their Space vehicles. A little like the Moon Landing, NASA did go to the Moon, they just had a 'TV Special' for the public to watch as well.

One Guy insists the Challenger Crew have been seen dozens of times since the so called destruction of Challenger. They are not ghosts am sure, just the Crew who were never on the Shuttle, just sat in a studio somewhere.

Again, no disrespect to NASA, they are great folks doing great work for all people of all nations.

lori100: those experiencing being out of body often have guides to calm them, assist them...it can be scary until they get more experience and enjoy it......

ghostgeek: Where do wild imaginings stop and reality begin?

lori100: indeed...the aborigines called the waking life the dreamtime...and the sleep dreams were the real life,,,

ghostgeek: How do people know, when they wake up, if they're truly awake or still dreaming?

lori100: for aborigines ? .....they are awake, just feel the awake life is not real....in obe's it is a mind awake/body asleep state....very relaxed but aware so they are not asleep...the brain waves are monitored when they train that tells when they are falling asleep or are awake...

briansmythe: Not for Australian Aborigines , Lorie The Dream Time , Is reffering to Creation , Like genesis but they had no written language , So it was passed down through the generations in Storys . Not if your asleep , or awake , or anything about different Dimentions

What happened to the Old Lady is she Still going
I dont think the Shuttle one is true , Sounds like US milatary Propaganda , We always collect our Men
lol

lori100: the old lady is still going, ...I'd read that the dreamtime was different...

Zanjan: Lori "the aborigines called the waking life the dreamtime...and the sleep dreams were the real life,,, "

Brian is right - the "Dreamtime" refers to their ancient, unknown history when their people first came to Australia. Nobody remembers where they came from or how they arrived, so they just made up folk tales to explain their appearance, like we have to explain how man was created.

Interestingly, they too, have a flood story but it was of the sea surging into the coastal areas and remaining. They can point to how far the dry land used to go, before it was submerged (miles). So, it's clear they'd been in Australia during the last Ice Age, before the Ice Sheets melted. We now know where they came from and how they got there., both by geological markers and DNA sampling.

A serpent also figures in those stories, except it's a sacred rainbow serpent, a symbol of beneficence. Like most tribal people, they drew paintings on rocks and sung songs to tell their story of "beginning".

Zanjan: Lori, you shouldn't believe everything you read. Keeping an open mind means to weigh all the information against all the information without bias. There will be conflicting stories but the truth will emerge with consistency; most importantly, it must have fruition and confirmation of fruition before you have the means to settle on a position.

OBEs, if real, will produce something that's verifiable. In that dimension, there is no time or space - that is, one can travel anywhere without going anywhere but there are limitations, places one can't go. One can bring back something that's soon to happen. That's their own confirmation.

Everything has a purpose: OBEs aren't intended to inform anyone except one's self because nobody could believe them (other than the reports that identical experiences exist).

chronology: Lori dear girl, you would be far better attending to the welfare of your eternal soul and listening to Jesus than all the other stuff you post here.

lori100: many have met Jesus out of body...and millions of people have obe's..

briansmythe: Oh she's still going. Lori thats cool
Where the Aboriginals came from . Crossed over from asia and mid east
Free loaders claming it as theres

chronology: Lori. Many with love and respect have approached Jesus under the wings of the Roman Eagle . If you want to think people just walk up to Jesus for a chit chat fine now. SPOR.

briansmythe: Its really quite sad how we made them give up there culture. If there were people who lived harmonious with nature. That was them

chronology: Lori, I explained this a while back. The Afterlife, whatever it is like, is no 'day on the beach There are rules and regulations just like on earth. If some one just turned up in the U.S. after driving across the boarder they would be arrested very quickly by U.S. or State Authorities and sent back to where they came from. If you try and just wander in to Heaven, whatever that is, and meet Jesus you will most likely be thrown out. The Gospels tell you how to prepare for the arrival in the next world, read what Jesus says and you will have no problems. You can listen to all kinds of other explanations about how to fit in when you die, but that is your own choice. Maybe 'The Galactic Federation of Light' people will be there that you talk about, but it does seem unlikely.

lori100: no...read about people's nde's and out of body experiences... in nde's they are often told it's not their time and they have to finish their life on earth...and people have seen their dead relatives with the grey aliens....it is reported more and more...

chronology: No disrespect at all to you Lori, but it does seem very unlikely.

Zanjan: Lori, nobody is going to meet Jesus via an OBE - that's not the right dimension. They could have a "visitation" though - that is, a Holy Soul in the next world can present through a vision (no obe required). That occurs in a wakeful or semi-wakeful moment - yet another dimension entirely.

Death is not that controversial. With death, some report an initial OBE - that is, suddenly finding themselves outside and above their body, looking down but that's only for a second, then they proceed as all souls do. Some have seen their dead relatives first, or angels welcoming them. Some have skipped all of that and go directly to meet their Maker.

Why there's this difference at the beginning of their passage seems to be that, in the first instance, they're not quite dead yet - the body is seriously traumatized and feels stress. It's the onset of death. Then clinical death follows shortly after. This part is where it's the same for all because it's NOT an OBE - it's the separation of the mind and soul from the body and physical plane altogether.

On death, the soul immediately meets the Lord. He doesn't introduce Himself, He doesn't have to - the soul knows in what Presence they're standing. It's not like on earth - nobody in the hereafter introduces themselves with names. They're recognized not by who but, *what* they are. This is the plane of reality, where true rank and station is fully disclosed.

So, if this soul returns to life on earth and you hear her say she met Jesus, that's not factual - it's their own, later interpretation or downright lie.

You see, there's one Lord for each Age (there's been many Ages); the soul must stand before the Lord of the Age - that is, the current dispensation, the Age we live in. HE decides your qualifications for placement, not you.