God Never Spoke to Moses or the Hebrews (Page 15)

ghostgeek: "Forge of Empires?" Never heard of it.

ghostgeek: One look at the news and it's clear that the shade of Moses still stalkes the earth. It's "Bombs away" all over the place, with blood flowing like water and bullets zinging past. You can't deny the monster has had a lasting impact on the human race, but boy, it's cost us all dear.

ghostgeek: If only he'd stuck to sniffing up the backside of sheep instead of setting himself up as a cult leader. Have you ever tried running "Forge of Empires" and seeing what the world would be like if Moses had never walked the earth?

Zanjan: You're talking about news? I thought you didn't watch TV. You'd almost sound Amish, if not for using the the computer.

Forge of Empires is an interactive format - you don't get to do what you want most of the time. But yes, you start the strategy in prehistoric times, and that's where you'll remain until you learn how to think on your feet. I'm not really a gamer because I don't have the time; I just know how to play it enough to carry a conversation with gamers.

Had Moses not shown up with His staff, the human world would have stopped where it was.

ghostgeek: I don't watch TV; just read the odd newspaper, listen to the radio at times, and have a look online. Seems to be good enough.

Never played a computer game either.

ghostgeek: I prefer to keep my money in the bank.

Zanjan: Many computer games on line are free, including those that came with your computer's operating system ( not poker, the computer cheats). You can borrow some from the library, pick up at garage sales for $1 or drop hints for your birthday. Some games teach you a language or sharpen other faculties.

These days, it's much easier to find someone to play a computer game with me than a board game.

You should try a few, especially at your age - they build neurons and keep your hands nimble. The brain is like a muscle - if you don't give it a workout, challenging its limits, it wastes away.

Staying on topic, all people's have known that - even Jews had games. Notice that no one has ever out-played God at a strategy game.

ghostgeek: You can't out-play something that doesn't exist. God is the creation of a febrile imagination interacting with the exhaust gases of too many sheep. Definitly an excruciatingly whiffy idea.

davejackson1960: Unfortunately most people do not know the difference between a creator and a god. A god has to have a gender like man, because all gods are the product of mans fear and or ignorance. a true creator has no gender, has no physical being and creates through will. no physical contact such as putting one to sleep to extract a rib, a true creator would have created all with a single thought. gods such as thor, zeus , apollo, jehovah, medussa , venus............ are all products of mythology and are assigned by humanity to answer the questions that humanity cannot, ancient man had no knowledge that heat, fuel and oxygen made fire so they assigned a god of fire to explain the phenomenon such as the god of war, creation etc etc etc

davejackson1960: leave the psycho hallucinogenic substances alone and you wont hear the voice of god, unless you are psychotic and need some medication.

davejackson1960: man could not deal with the concept of the god they created, so they created his son to change his supposedly unchanging ways, to justify mans changing ways,

davejackson1960: several divisions of christianity with various different beliefs all reading a different bible and all calling each other wrong, proves one thing, no foundation,no collective reasoning, or agreement, all supposition therefore fairytale, no fact provable or otherwise.

ghostgeek: The God of the Bible certainly had a gender, and before the Babylonians marched in and exiled the bigwigs, a lot of Jews believed He had a wife called Asherah. Not so very different to other pagen religions in the region. I'd say this belief in a single God only took hold after the Persians crushed the Babylonian Empire and allowed the Jews to return to Palestine. By this time the Persians had converted to Zoroastrianism, which is one of the world's oldest monotheistic religions. Seems logical that they would favour beliefs that mirrored their own, and thus support monotheistic Judaism.

davejackson1960: life much like fire is pure energy, as long as the elements exist fire can exist even without any human or creator of the fire hence spontaneous combustion, life is the same way it exists in the form of energy and encompasses every square inch of the universe and always has at no time has literally nothing ever existed if that were the case then absolutely nothing would exist now, our planet contains the proper elements for life to exist light, dark, heat, cold, oxygen, water and the seasons and is spaced close enough to the sun that we do not freeze or fry, for life to exist on this planet is really no extreme miracle. Life like fire will exist when and where it can and both are spontaneous, with life however the term is evolution, which even the bible supports when it says "And the Earth bought force after every living being after it's own kind with the only exception being Man. Because the bible was written by man for man to confuse the issue and to justify the wants needs and fears of man.

Zanjan: "Life like fire will exist when and where it can and both are spontaneous"

A contradictory sentence.

Corrected sentence: A thing has potential within, which will appear when the conditions are right to do so, and not until then; when it appears, it stays until conditions are right for it to disappear.

Transformation is ongoing, nothing in existence is static. If you doubt that, look at how many changes the Bible has traversed up to the present day. It wasn't until the 13th century that the Bible appeared with chapter and verse divisions; in 1560, it appeared with numbers.

It does seem to have a life, alright. Do you call that spontaneous "adaption" or "evolution"?

Considering all the recent revisions of the whole Book in just one generation, I'm beginning to think it could be we're living in a time of "spontaneous abortion".

ghostgeek: Have they finally ditched that old rogue Moses from the Bible?

davejackson1960: just saying god in a human sense is assinine and ridiculous, has nothing to do with life which had to exist before he did so he could, no matter how you try to twist it god is just an imaginary entity.

ghostgeek: I wonder if animals have any concept of God?

Zanjan: Nope, because God can't be conceived. They sense spirit very keenly though - that's why you should never lie to or turn your back on one.

ghostgeek: I still can't get my head around the fact that people seriously consider that upwards of three million people followed Moses out of Egypt. Three million people going round in circles for forty years in the desert, looking for water. Outside of a religious text, nobody would entertain such a nonsensical idea.

So, if it wasn't written that six hundred thousand men marched out of Egypt, would we have any reason for thinking that such a number decamped from the land of the Pharaohs? Quite simply, the answer is no.

It is quite clear that those that walked into the desert with Moses worked as brickmakers. When Pharaoh punishes them, he tells them to collect straw for themselves. Though Moses demands that Pharaoh lets the Hebrews go, only brickmakers are told to collect stubble. This strongly suggests that the only trade the Hebrews were practicing was brickmaking. Right ho, so how many brickmakers might be required? I doubt it was that many.

For a start, the common people constructed their own dwellings out of mud bricks that they themselves made. So that would mean the Hebrews are making bricks either for some government project, or for the temple authorities. Now it's reckoned that one man could make 100 -150 mud bricks a day. That means that 100 brickmakers, working for 100 days, could make between 1,000,000 and 1,500,000 mud bricks. That sure sounds like a lot of bricks to me, especially when it's remembered that this is for one or two sites in the delta.

It seems an inescapable conclusion from the foregoing, therefore, that there was probably only a few hundred Hebrews, at most, trailing after Moses.

davidk14: .

Ghost...The pyramids were not made out of mud bricks.

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ghostgeek: Actually David, the later ones were, though they had a covering of stone. Not certain what your point is. Are you saying the Hebrews built the pyramids?

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ghostgeek: You flatter me Auphirah, and I'm loving it.

Zanjan: My understanding is that some pyramid tombs of those with lesser rank, especially spouses of Pharaohs, used brick rubble fill, and fill from stone flakes - very economical.

One wouldn't create bricks only to pound them to rubble; obviously, it was a recycling program.

If the Hebrews were punished by collecting straw for bricks, what was done when rewarding them? Moses asked the Hebrews to collect their payment in gold/jewel's, whatever before they headed out. You don't pay brick makers with that.

I'm not sure what the standard currency was of the time but ancient wages for manual labor were paid with salt. Slaves aren't paid but they can be rewarded.