Trinity never explained better! (Page 5)

robertbatchelor: Trinity mreans THREE GODS.
Sure they are 3 beings.of one family.
The FATHER SAID."This is my beloved SON in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus said"I do everything through the FATHER that sent me."
So GOD is say the same thing as JESUS yet you want to cancel what they both said. WHY ?

Zanjan: God manifested His beauty through the Christ, Who is like the pure mirror that reflects an image to mankind. The mirror is not God; the station of the Christ (the High Prophet) is a conveyance, and Jesus was one of those mirrors. That's the historical truth.

Christians never really understood the meaning of "Manifestation". The clergy wont let them either - if one should raise their hand and say, 'hey, that doesn't sound right to me', the clergy will deny him and say you must believe it our way. They tell you how to think because it's too embarrassing for them to say "Oops, we were wrong; the trinity was a pagan idea that we thought was workable at the time".

This is why God has to keep on sending Messengers. People get things messed up over a long period of time.

So, if you're going to assert there are 3 Gods you must worship, I'm going to inform you there is only ONE God, He's not human, and He doesn't descend into His creation. This is the thing - if you make a wild claim, be prepared for a challenge.

HydroMan: its not just the word 'trinity', its 'triune' (tri-une, 3-1) so it is not 3 gods.

HydroMan: that was in response to robert btw

Zanjan: So why have it at all? Surely we're smart enough to know something has attributes and keep them separate from the object, itself. But that's not what is happening.

There's no getting around what they say; if they weren't worshiping 3 Gods, there would be no need to use the term "Trinity of Godhead"; they'd use different language, just to establish that for a fact. They'd not be saying Jesus is God.

Language changes with change in intellect and culture - Christians have shown they're not adapting to increased intellectual capacity and knowledge.

Cenababy: Hydro, AMEN, and exactly right. God was a triune being we can see this all through the bible, even in GENESIS, "LET US" make man in our own image. He was not suffering from multiple personality disorder. Some will never understand this. Let them, it is up to God to show them the truth.

Having said that, this is what our faith teaches us we accept the unseen, we have faith in Jesus for a reason, if not God called, then what! To each their own!

Cenababy: I am so suprised that most people cannot get the concept! It astounds me!

Zanjan: " if not God called, then what!"

A 'Manifestation of God' is not called, like you and I; He's a created being, not created like you and I but God has still created them. See, language changes when people become enlightened, leaving old and twisted interpretations behind them.

God is ONE (single) and has no parts or partners - what's hard to understand about that? He, alone, created His Plan and every living being. Genesis didn't use the word "trinity" or make the remotest reference to it.

The "US" in Genesis are those Manifestations, those High Prophets, Who educate and train human beings - they're God's Ambassadors, the Holy Teachers He dispatches to mankind on His behalf throughout the ages. They are God's Mouthpieces, delivering the Revelations relative to man's limited capacity at the time; it's a co-operative venture between all the High Prophets, in accordance with God's Great Plan for mankind.

This earth is a school; all the Teachers consult on their portion of the Master Plan. Each Teacher sets up His students for the next.

Let's see what we can grasp out of this: Well, if man knew and understood God so well, there would be no need for Holy Teachers.

If this were not true, God would have said in Genesis, "I will" - sans a gallery of Mediators. The reason He didn't say that is because He gave us Free Will. Therefore, 'Let Us make man in our image, after our likeness" (note: that's plural) implies no human can be the single, complete image of God, Himself. What can we see of that image? A few of the attributes of God. If you can't see them, you can't know them.

To have faith in something you don't know is to be ignorant.

Cenababy: The "US" in Genesis are those Manifestations, those High Prophets, Who educate and train human beings - they're God's Ambassadors, the Holy Teachers He dispatches to mankind on His behalf throughout the ages. They are God's Mouthpieces, delivering the Revelations relative to man's limited capacity at the time; it's a co-operative venture between all the High Prophets, in accordance with God's Great Plan for mankind.

SHOW ME IN BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS THIS?
There is the point. For Christians, they read clearly in the BIBLE, not other books, not other beliefs. For us it is JESUS that is with him from the very beginning.

John 1 please read!

Cenababy: Hi Prophets' from the beginning of time??????????????????????/ where does that come from??????

Blackshoes: Cenababy ZanJan is indoctrinated into accepting whatever her Faith has taught her', Or as she has stated before her voices confirm her beliefs ? .She means well', and her lack of Understanding simple scriptures may not harm her .Yet :Only God knows

Cenababy: welp , there ya have it

Blackshoes: It's like so many that have Only so much understanding or are only allowed to understand just certain parts of God Word ? Were all just following Jesus . I suppose that why error is so rampant within the Christian Church right now

Cenababy: sigh, seems to be one way or another~~~~~

Blackshoes: I will never understand;, Why God Has blessed me and others with such great understand of his word ',,Yet gave me so little strength


1 Corinthians

13:1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

13:2. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Cenababy: amen to that Shoes

Zanjan: "SHOW ME IN BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS THIS?"

Show me where the Bible doesn't say that. You have to admit that, going by this one sentence in Genesis, you don't know who US is. For that, you'd need to find more recent text elsewhere in the Bible - text that, by a process of elimination, shows who "US" are NOT.

Knowledge doesn't lay in one sentence, word for word - it's in the collective. Not once is the trinity used in the Bible or any other scripture. Not once does it say, point blank "Jesus is God" No scripture on earth says that either. You will find that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus are included amongst the many "Us" in that statement.

Furthermore, "Truth" is supported by other scriptures outside the Bible.

I'm not going to do other people's homework for them; I'll only say that more recent Prophets have been openly forthright about that sentence in Genesis. This is knowlwedge Christians should, at least, research so they can understand their own religion better and prove its truth.

To Christians, "High Prophets" are distinguished from the lesser Prophets of the House of Israel. The former revealed a new religion; the latter did not.

Zanjan: Blackshoes, how can I be indoctrinated when I've read all the world's scriptures on my own? How is it possible I could have scriptural tunnel vision when I have all the Words of God ever sent to mankind?

Indoctrination means to be exposed to only ONE scripture and forbidden to even look at any other scriptures in history. Christians fit that description, not me.

I'm saying if you want to assert the truth that's IN your religion, it will have to hold its own when compared to truth IN other religions. Truth stands the test of time and is universal - no one has a monopoly on it.

Cenababy: Moses, Abraham, etc., were AFTER JESUS, there ya go. so they are not the US! and there are plenty, plenty of passages that say who Jesus is/was and will be again! That is Christian faith, not yours obviously! And if you look really hard a lot of Jews believe this too! Up to you what you believe.

Cenababy: Outside of the bible, NO, not for Christians!

Cenababy: um that is not what indoctrination means btw, it means many things, shall I pull the meaning from the dictionaries?

Zanjan: "Moses, Abraham, etc., were AFTER JESUS,"

No scripture says that. Fact: they were on earth before Jesus and everybody knows it.

Blackshoes: Zanjan I don't know everything ', I'm sure you don't either ! The Word is simple ',It's say what it says .

John

8:53. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
8:54. Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
8:55. Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
8:56. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
8:57. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:58. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Zanjan: "I Am" refers to God - it's not Jesus speaking for himself, he'd just pointed that out - who was paying attention? He points it out again elsewhere in the NT. Also, the OT supports the reference:

Exodus 3:14
"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

This is the voice of God speaking through the Manifestation; same as the Christ. Should be noted that God said He would raise up another just like Moses from amongst them (the Jews); and, Jesus said to them (the Jews) if they had believed in Moses, they would have believed in him (Christ). Same rank.

One needs to understand that our souls are created at the moment of conception but the Manifestations of God were pre-existant, meaning their souls existed before men existed.

Think about it this way - the school exists before the students do. There is no religion and no future without a Plan that existed right from the beginning; that Plan has to incorporate the Teachers. You see, it's not the students who are given charge of dispensing knowledge.

Notice the name of Jesus isnt mentioned in the OT or in any religion before Christianity. However, the name of Jesus is mentioned in all religious scriptures that came after Jesus. Funny how that works, eh?


Blackshoes, who knows more - the person who reads only one Book or all of them? It's one thing to choose a religion, quite another to refuse to acquire new information and knowledge.

God loves those who search into the truth of all things, wherever that truth may be. He best loves those who strive for excellence in all things.

HydroMan: Jesus said “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). Although Jesus did not specifically say He was God, the Jews picked up stones and were about to stone Him because they believed He was claiming to be God; “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God” (John 10:33). If Jesus was not God, then this would have been the time to mention it/correct the Jews by stating that He is not God.

Jesus said He existed before the time of Abraham and referred to Himself as “I AM” (John 8:58). The Jews picked up stones to stone Him to death (John 8:59) because they knew Jesus was identifying Himself as God; as “I AM” is a term used only by God (Exodus 3:14). If Jesus was not God, then this would have been the time to mention it/correct the Jews by stating that He is not God.