Which Religion Will Rule Next? (Page 66) Zanjan: Yes, most were wiped out or doomed BEFORE the Jews entered the land. This was another reason Moses had the Jews wait on the sidelines. God's timing is perfect. Read the narrative carefully - the Jews were given pastures that weren't theirs, herds that weren't theirs, buildings that others had built and so forth. God had cleared the way for them by letting the previous inhabitants destroy themselves from the inside out. That's why God told the Jews not to be afraid - they were just the mop up crew, taking over a few remaining outposts. This is the way it's always been with the Holy Land - God never changes His ways. This is what you see happening there today. So, don't diss God - He knows exactly what He's doing. (Edited by Zanjan)  chay chayi: Koran 2:191 "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them." Koran 3:28 "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends." Koran 3:85 "Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable." Koran 5:33 "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam." Koran 8:12 "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran." Koran 8:60 "Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels." Koran 8:65 "The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them." Koran 9:5 "Mien opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you find them." Koran 9:30 "The Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them." Koran 9:123 "Make war on the infidels living in your Koran 22:19 "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water, melt their skin and bellies."-- Koran 47:4 "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them." Zanjan: Chayii has not quoted any of the passages in the Quran. Those are his own words, twisting to meet his desires. What then, is the difference between Chayi and someone who uses a religion to meet their own ends (ie. terrorists and hypocrites)? The aim of such people is to spread doubts about God, destroy faith in religion, and exalt themselves above others. God doesn't deal with them lightly. Neither will I. (Edited by Zanjan)
chay chayi: Its not my words, i copy pasted it from the Koran, and how can you be such a cheap liar when i gave the number of the verses, and anyone can look it up, yes this what you are, like all the false religions, terrible liars and deceivers!!! (Edited by chay chayi) chay chayi: One example that Mohammad says that the test of sacrificing was meant to be Ishmael and not Isaac, and what its written in the Torah that it was meant to be Isaac is what Jews corrupted the Torah for their benefit because Isaac was the father of the Jews, now its clear that it was meant to be Isaac, God told to Abraham many times that Isaac from his true wife Sarah will continue Abraham's rightness, and his covenant will be whit Isaac, and God gave the Torah and the land Israel to Abraham Isaac and Jacob and their offspring the Jews, not for Ishmael and his offspring, it was Mohammad the disgusting liar that corrupted the Torah for his benefit being a descendant of Ishmael, and what he accuses the Jews that they corrupted the Torah is what he did, like a thieve accusing others of thieve, and so on many thing Mohammad reformed and corrupted the Torah, he was not a prophet but a liar thieve murder and pervert Zanjan: Chay, the devil is the accuser and the deceiver. Refer to the Bible. There's no excuse for commenting on a reference without accompanying it by the whole verse, *word for word*. Here are the complete verses you referenced: (I’ve also included the antecedent & sequent where it’s a critical part of the context) 2:190 “And fight for the religion of God against those who fight against you, but transgress not by attacking them first, for God loveth not the transgressors. 2:191 And kill them wherever ye find them, and turn them out of that whereof they have dispossessed you, for temptation to idolatry is more grievous than slaughter: Yet fight not against them in the holy temple, until they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them there. This shall be the reward of the infidels.” ----------------------- 3:28 “Let not the faithful take the infidels for their protectors, rather than the faithful: He who doth this, shall not be protected of God at all; unless ye fear any danger from them: But God warneth you to beware of himself; for unto God must ye return”. ------------------------- 5:32 “Wherefore we commanded the children of Israel, that he who slayeth a soul, without adding thereto the murder of another soul, or without committing wickedness in the earth, shall be as if he had slain all mankind: But he who saveth a soul alive, shall be as if he had saved the lives of all mankind. Our Apostles formerly came unto them, with evident miracles; then were many of them, after this, transgressors on the earth. 5:33 But the recompense of those who fight against God and his Apostle, and study to act corruptly in the earth, shall be, that they shall be slain, or crucified, or have their hands and their feet cut off on the opposite sides, or be banished the land. This shall be their disgrace in this world, and in the next world they shall suffer a grievous punishment; 5:34 except those who shall repent, before ye prevail against them; for know that God is inclined to forgive, and merciful.” ------------------------------------- 8:12 “Also when thy Lord spake unto the angels, saying, verily I am with you; wherefore confirm those who believe. I will cast a dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Therefore strike off their heads. And strike off all the ends of their fingers. 8:13 This shall they suffer, because they have resisted God and his Apostle: And whosoever shall oppose God and his Apostle, verily God will be severe in punishing him.” ----------------------------------- 8:59 “And think not that the unbelievers have escaped God's vengeance, for they shall not weaken the power of God. 8:60 Therefore prepare against them what force ye are able, and troops of horse, whereby ye may strike a terror into the enemy of God, and your enemy, and into other infidels besides them, whom ye know not, but God knoweth them. And whatsoever ye shall expend in the defence of the religion of God, it shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. 8:61 And if they incline unto peace, do thou also incline thereto; and put thy confidence in God, for it is He who heareth and knoweth.” -------------------------------- 9:5 “And when the months wherein ye are not allowed to attack them shall be past, kill the idolaters wheresoever ye shall find them, and take them prisoners, and besiege them, and lay wait for them in every convenient place. But if they shall repent, and observe the appointed times of prayer, and pay the legal alms, dismiss them freely; for God is gracious and merciful. 9:6 And if any of the idolaters shall demand protection of thee, grant him protection, that he may hear the word of God; and afterwards let him reach the place of his security. This shalt thou do, because they are people which know not the excellency of the religion thou preachest.” ----------------------------- 9:30 “The Jews say, Ezra is the son of God: And the Christians say Christ is the son of God. They say this (only) with their mouths: They imitate the saying of those who were unbelievers in former times. May God curse them (literally: fight against them)! How can they be so infatuated? 9:31 They take their priests and their monks for their lords, besides God, and Christ the son of Mary; although they are commanded to worship one God only: There is no God but He; far be that from Him, which they associate with Him!” ------------------------------------- 22:19 “These are two opposite parties, who dispute concerning their Lord. And they who believe not, shall have garments of fire fitted unto them: boiling water shall be poured on their heads……………” (Note: this is one phrase from a treatise that’s too long to include here, which needs to be read to learn who Muhammad is talking about and what sort of future they will have) ------------------------------------- The last reference is just a repeat of the treatment of unrepentant traitors. chay chayi: 1. I copied it from a quote in FB, so its not what i Quoted 2. AND WHAT DID YOU SOLVE WITH QUOTING THIS: 9:5 “And when the months wherein ye are not allowed to attack them shall be past, kill the idolaters wheresoever ye shall find them, and take them prisoners, and besiege them, and lay wait for them in every convenient place. But if they shall repent, and observe the appointed times of prayer, and pay the legal alms, dismiss them freely; for God is gracious and merciful" YOU MADE IT WORSE!!! <<<<<9:30 “The Jews say, Ezra is the son of God: And the Christians say Christ is the son of God. They say this (only) with their mouths: They imitate the saying of those who were unbelievers in former times. May God curse them (literally: fight against them)! How can they be so infatuated?>>>>>>> WHAT A DUMB BASTARD!!! Jews don't say anyone is something as a son of God, he was uneducated of the prophecy books, and its not what Jews say, its written many times in the prophecy books on many prophets that they are the "son of God" and in the Torah says that Moses was a Godly person, this does not mean to say that Moses was God, or that prophets are literally a "son" of God, it means that they are holy and God's holy spirit dwells in them, and this is what every Jew knows, but Mohammad was a wild uneducated deceiver and jealous hateful liar!! not knowing a simple thing in the prophecy books And i already said once before, that if Jews wanted to corrupt the Torah and prophecy books for their honor and benefits SO WHY DID THEY LEAVE EVERYTHING WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT JEWS SINNING AND GOD PUNISHING THEM??? AND OTHER BAD THINGS THAT WERE PROPHESIED?? Bottom line, That Mohammad was a dumb evil liar accusing Jews with his filthy dumb brain and mentality, his Arab ancestors were all sinned pagans to its total from Ishmael till his time and practicing all incest and sin, but accusing Jews Zanjan: Not so much deluded as seething with anger. You can't blame all Jews for Chay's performance. You see, he hasn't heard from God for more than 3 thousand years. That's bound to make a person feel slighted; but, what really bugs him is that God doesn't do and say what Chay wants Him to do and say. It makes sense that he wouldn't love a God like that. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: Well, if they follow, it's certainly not in His footsteps. They really don't remember but some try anyhow, using traditions that later tumbled out of it. Nevertheless, the substance of the message hasn't been lost. No one looks to the past and asks it to change the future. Neither does God. Zanjan: The devil is the accuser, the deceiver - you'd have to prove Moses was the devil to pull off that accusation.  ghostgeek: Moses said that the plague of flies was caused by God. Flies have always plagued Egypt, and still do. One example of nature at work, not God.  robertbatchelor: Creating flies yes but the devil has creation doing the opposite to what GOD intendfed. Zanjan: By the way, in 2 years we're going to have a fierce drought where I live, which will bring a plague of grasshoppers and locusts. We know this from previous droughts, which have been caused by the sun spot cycles, warming the oceans every 10 years, causing the El Nino. This will be worse than ever remembered due to global warming, which humans caused this time. Farmers suffer crop damage from infestations, so this was a plague to them. Not to me - whatever I grow, I don't sell. From previous experience, I know what to do to prepare for the big, upcoming disaster. I'll still suffer but not from what God has done. robertbatchelor: In Australia we have these problems too. We have do by in the past because our country is MASSIVE and food is a plenty. But GOD does ALLOW it to happen but does not cause it . | Religion Chat Room 23 People Chatting Similar Conversations |