Lord of the Sabbath

Cenababy: Lord of the Sabbath
Lord of the Sabbath: The Bible refers to Jesus as “the Lord of the Sabbath” (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5). In these passages, Jesus is proclaiming that He is the One who exercises what is acceptable and not acceptable to do on the Sabbath. However, there is more meaning to this. The Bible tells us that the Sabbath day is a day “to the LORD your God” (Exodus 20:8-10, Leviticus 23:3, Deuteronomy 5:12-14). Although ‘Lord’ and ‘LORD’ are different, the point here is this; the Sabbath Day was a day to honor and worship God, and Jesus is claiming Himself to be Lord of the Sabbath (Lord of the day to worship God). Only God Himself can be the one true Lord of the Sabbath because it is the one day that is set aside and completely reserved for Him. Thus, if Jesus is not God, then He is basically telling people to reserve the Sabbath Day for Him and not just for God. ie The Sabbath is for God, but it is also for Jesus because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. A statement like this makes no sense unless Jesus is in fact God!

Laura _: Yes Jesus is Lord of The Sabbath He created it with God the Father, They Set the seventh day apart and made it Holy. Jesus was speaking of the end times in Mathew 24, He refers to the Sabbath in verse 20. The Seventh Day Sabbath is still important to God and our Lord Jesus Christ. To bad most of the Christian Churches refuse to honor it. They choose to follow the world....saying The Lord's day doesn't matter.

Emmet2Tim2_7: the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.
this shows that Jesus was a man ...............not G-d

Cenababy: In answer to the above, I doubt very seriously that "most Christians" refuse to honor The Sabbath. Wasn't it Jesus who said, it is any day that we celebrate? Did he not himself work on the sabbath? I think people do not read into the way they should. and Yes, The Sabbath was for Jesus, j/s....the whole purpose of The OT was for the coming of Jesus, to finish the laws, to complete the laws. The reason "sacrifice" let's say is no longer necessary is that JESUS sacrificed himself. I think most need to re-read what Jesus actually says, just as "he said, it is not what goes in which makes you unclean but what comes out of your mouth which defiles you"! Jesus made it clear that he cared more about HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER, instead of following the Old Laws which are no longer necessary, that is why Christians do not have to follow the laws of the OT for example in what they eat. Noah also didn't have to follow those laws. I think it is important that we read and understand that "the times" were what was important, after the NT , the times changed, some laws were no longer necessary, JESUS changed all of that.

Cenababy: Yes, Emmet, Jesus was a "man, in the flesh" while he was here. He could not come to us any other way, to be present and walk with us, he had to be birthed as man to be with us. This doesn't take away the fact that JESUS is the only "man in flesh" that could do what he did. NO ONE else could have or has done what he did. Just as one of Hydro's posts, Jesus did not sin, yet he changed things, he was the high authority, how could this be without going against God????? Let's think about that

Emmet2Tim2_7: He restored the original understanding of what was in the beginning, hence the times He said ,"in the beginning it was not so."

Zanjan: "JESUS is the only "man in flesh" that could do what he did. NO ONE else could have or has done what he did."

Moses did it, Jesus did it, Muhammad did it - changed the Day of the Sabbath, that is. All were "man in flesh", claiming to utter the Word of God.

What matters which day of the week you choose as long as you set one aside? Seems the point would be order - that is, to assist all believers to be together at the same time. Not a point to prove the divinity of a Prophet. Even the civil governmment does this with its stat holidays.

"he changed things, he was the high authority,"

According to Jesus, He wasn't the authority. When the Jews asked Him by what authority He did such things, what did He say?

John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up"

Look what He said, then look at what happened after He said it -> the spiritual reality together with historical fact is the authority. Nobody could change that.

Laura _: Zanjan The day matters to God and Jesus Christ our Lord...The Sabbath was created and set apart. In the Ten Commandments it says Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.

Laura _: Cenababy Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is any day we celebrate? Jesus worked on the Sabbath??
Are you referring to Mark 2:23 when the the Apostles plucked the heads of grain, because they were hungry? This was not work, we would not call this work today either. The Pharisees robbed the weekly Sabbath of it's intended joy by imposing rituals and banning thirty-nine tasks. Sabbath keeping became a burden of pettiness rather than a blessing of praise.

Christ did not have to obey the Pharisees man made rules..He is Lord of the Sabbath.

Cenababy: ok Zan here we go. First of all you missed my whole entire point. that's all I have to say!

Cenababy: Laura, I will look up what I am refering too if you will remind me. Jesus healed on the Sabbath...and I will blog on this again when I pull the scriptures in which I am speaking of thanks for the comments .....

Cenababy: and Zan let me go find the blog I am talking about when I made the comment, Jesus is the only one that".....and no Moses and Muh, DID NOT do what Jesus did or has done, nor are they The Lord and Savior.....

Cenababy: PS and Jesus was the higher authority over Moses!!!!! btw

Cenababy: ZAN, here ya go....here is one part! Jesus did not emphasize the same things Moses did. Moses wrote many chapters about the tabernacle and the “place” in which God put his name. Jesus said that place did not matter (John 4:20-24). Moses wrote many chapters about ritual uncleanness; Jesus was much less concerned about it. Instead, Jesus gave much more emphasis to the way people should treat each other.

The law of Moses required many animal sacrifices, but because of the sacrificial death of Jesus, the sacrifices are no longer required. Moses wrote that sins could be atoned for through the performance of rituals, but this was a temporary and external atonement; Jesus simply forgave people as a permanent gift and a cleansed conscience. Jesus often told people to obey God, but Moses is not the standard by which obedience is now measured.

6. Who is the final authority for Christians? Matthew 7:21-29; 10:32-33, 39; 19:29; 28:18-20; John 3:25-26; 6:29; 14:21-23; 17:2-3.

Moses said one thing, but Jesus said another (Matthew 5:21-45). Jesus presented himself as the greater authority, the perfect authority, the basis on which people will be judged. Our lives should conform to the standard Jesus set, not the imperfect standard Moses wrote.

Cenababy: LAURA, here is one: Jesus Heals on the Sabbath
10 One Sabbath day as Jesus was teaching in a synagogue, 11 he saw a woman who had been crippled by an evil spirit. She had been bent double for eighteen years and was unable to stand up straight. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Dear woman, you are healed of your sickness!” 13 Then he touched her, and instantly she could stand straight. How she praised God!

14 But the leader in charge of the synagogue was indignant that Jesus had healed her on the Sabbath day. “There are six days of the week for working,” he said to the crowd. “Come on those days to be healed, not on the Sabbath.”

15 But the Lord replied, “You hypocrites! Each of you works on the Sabbath day! Don’t you untie your ox or your donkey from its stall on the Sabbath and lead it out for water? 16 This dear woman, a daughter of Abraham, has been held in bondage by Satan for eighteen years. Isn’t it right that she be released, even on the Sabbath?”

17 This shamed his enemies, but all the people rejoiced at the wonderful things he did.

Cenababy: and as far as my comment Jesus said??? I should have worded it differently. Jesus healed on the sabbath, and so why can't we honor him anytime? Do you think it a sin and unforgiveable to do what we must even on the Sabbath????

Laura _: Mathew 12:11 Jesus said to them "What man among you who as one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out?

Of how much more value then a man then a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to to good on the Sabbath.

God the Father had no problem with Jesus healing on the Sabbath..The Pharisees did ,using the question to try and trick Jesus. So my whole point is Jesus is following God did nothing wrong and was still following God's law. God let's us use common sense,if something happens on the Sabbath,like the sheep falling in mud of course you can pull it out.

Healing on the Sabbath is not "work" it is a good deed, God the Father allows this, So Jesus did not change the law and work on the Sabbath.

Zanjan: Laura, I understand the Sabbath and agree with you. My response to Cena was that God is Lord over it, not Jesus - other Prophets set a day for the Sabbath too, so there's no difference in what they did.

Cena, however, spiraled off into other deeds, unrelated to the topic while maintaining Jesus was greater than Moses:

" Jesus presented himself as the greater authority,"

While this is your view, Cena, you need to back that up with fact- what, in fact, happened?

I see no difference between the authority of Moses and Jesus - they were like each other. Mankind was meant to move towards an advancing civilization and God decides the next step in spiritual development, based on what the people were ready for. Both Jesus and Moses were under God's authority, same as Muhammad.

Cena suggests that Moses said one thing but Jesus said another. So did Muhammad. They all said something different but the one thing they all DID the same was keep the Sabbath for the people. They were completely united in this, despite the people being at variance.

Zanjan: Despite the Illustration you give on Sabbath views, apparently Christians are still dickering over this. The Mormons, for instance, have a view very similar to the Jews - don't lift a finger to do anything except go to church. You can't even participate in charitable functions on Sunday.

Yet I see their women all cook for the family - that's definitely work. When I asked them about it, they said it's not paid work. Well, women in ancient times didn't have paid employment.

I'd suggest Christians will disagree even more in future since we live in an entirely different world and work-A-day existence. So, what exactly has changed under Jesus?

Cenababy: Laura well good point, however; is pulling the sheep out of trouble not work? it may indeed be a "good deed" but it is still work....

Laura _: Yes pulling the sheep out would be work...God understands if something comes up.

Cenababy: Zan, things changed for sure, the OT is the pre-Jesus day, so did he change things, you betcha....I don't know why you have such a problem understanding simple things, you seem to love to make things complicated...go back and read what I originally wrote...good grief, simple is better , lol.....and you also have to understand that no one was like Jesus especially not to a Christian, he did far more than any "mere" prophet as you mention above. Muhammad was a mere man, mere prophet, and crazy...and why on earth people want to follow him is beyond my comprehension, and probably by God that it is beyond me! Think about that one! lol......can you try to understand others discernment without nit picking every sentence apart?

Zanjan: All Prophets spiritually healed people, sometimes physically healed them. They all performed miracles. Those are a few things the same. What are the differences?

Moses led tens of thousands of believers out of slavery, helping them to escape tyrannical rule in a country that didn't belong to them. He brought them back to their forefathers's land and promised them this land would be their own. He promised victory in battle, so long as they obeyed the Covenant. That all came to pass.

Jesus made no such promises and didn't give the people the same thing. He never gave them peace because He didn't get involved in political deals. He only had 3 years to achieve anything so He sacrificed His life instead. There were no battles, but many martyrdoms.

Muhammad commanded thousands of followers and united the Arabian Tribes, even those who weren't Muslim. . Like Moses, He gave food & beverage laws, and to women more rights and privileges than Moses or Jesus did. He commanded that Jews and Christians should be protected.

If you're going to accuse any of these Prophets of being crazy - look to Jesus as being the most likely candidate, considering He had only 12 believers while He was alive, and how many of those and future followers had to die to further the cause.

If I say they were much the same, I say it because I look at what came to pass. Looking 5 centuries down the road from each of their beginnings, what is the same between them? These religions all have plenty of blood on their hands; but, this is no fault of the Prophets. The people weren't fit to live up to God's commands - they kept the Sabbath and praised God much but let the Prophets down.

chay chayi: God said you should not work on Sabbath and to rest, to honor God, to remember that he created everything in 6 days, this is from the 10 commandments and are not changeable, like the rest of the 10 commands, like not to kill, not to steel etc.

And the 39 tasks are from Moses, God told Moses the details of Sabbath, and that are those 39 tasks that are work, if God wouldn't tell Moses what goes in the category of work, you wouldn't know what work you should not do, and healing is not of one of those 39 tasks, You may heal in Sabbath, the Rabbis forbid the heal by medicine, you should not forget and prepare the medicine in Sabbath, like to grind the medicine, but healing by spirit is totally permitted in Sabbath

chay chayi: And you contradict yourself, you say that Jesus because he was sacrificed laws are not necessary, and Jesus said that you don't have to obey some laws of God, and he was still alive before he was sacrificed, and why some laws do remain, like not drinking blood etc. ???

Cenababy: Zan, Jesus did give people peace and healed them, he didn't even have to touch them to heal them, He is The Lord/Savior not just a mere prophet, he didn't come her to be a prophet but a teacher and our salvation, he died for US, no one else has or did, He was the only to ascend, descend and ascend again, he raised himself, no one has ever done that, no one can save us or give us salvation, so, I would say that JESUS is the only as I have stated before. Ofcourse each is entitled to their beliefs, I am speaking from a Christian stand point and always have. And for you to tell a Christian he was a mere prophet and the same as Muhammad, is madness to us. Muhammad was horrible and his teachings are horrible and abusive, women are treated as garbage plain and simple, JESUS told men to treat their wives as he treats the church, (other so called prophets) do not do that. Nor does ANYONE hold the TITLE that he does, he was the AUTHORITY not just a mere prophet or man. So was there differences, you betcha!