Jesus changes many things, Part I (Page 5)

chay chayi: Bainu, you posted "9" and "13", its not in Daniel
That does not refer to a man, its a parable to God and his glory, and it does not say there "son of man"

"The son of man" is not a significant sign, many prophets in the prophecy books are called son of man, it was meant to say, that God spoke to son of man

It does not say anywhere that the Messiah will "come back", its the Christians false doctrine

A Messiah is a man, the greatest prophet, with God's spirit in him, a Messiah is not God, and not part of God, and not a father God and son God, its blasphemy, God is above nature, and his presence is in nature

A Messiah is not to be worshiped, only the one true God

chay chayi: Nicodemus was a rich man and ruler, not a Rabbi, not one Rabbi accepted Jesus
Jesus did not say the truth, and his disciples were deceived by him through demonic magic and attractive sin spirit, The Talmud says that Jesus was born by adultery, Jesus was born among the Rabbis, not among his disciples when he was 30 years old, there is a whole story how Jesus was born, and why his mother committed adultery, anyone born by adultery has a sinned soul with lust and instincts to sin and lust, and this was Jesus's soul, that's why he always spoke about original sin (what he was born from) and sin, the story shortly is, that Mary's husband was very strict to her, when he left the house he locked the door she shouldn't go out the house, she couldn't take it, one time when he left, she went out and committed adultery and she got pregnant and Jesus was born, they wanted to cover it up, say they came with this false lies that God made Marry pregnant through miracle

One time Jesus with his Rabbi went in a guest house, the owner of the house was a women, she served them well, and the Rabbi blessed her and said that she's a nice women (kind), Jesus replied, her eyes is ugly, his Rabbi said, this is what you are on at, to lust after women, so he excommunicated him, Jesus came back many times to his Rabbi to accept him because he wants to repent, but his Rabbi did not accept him, one time Jesus said, i will try one more time, if he accepts me then good, if not, i'll go out totally from God's way, and he came to his Rabbi, and he was in middle praying, and the Rabbi showed him his finger, Jesus understood that he is showing him to go, but he showed him to wait, because he made up to accept him, but Jesus went out and went out of God's way, he was them 30 years old

Then he started to use his knowledge he learned from his Rabbis, and made magic to prove for the plain people that he has God's power, and he started to say blasphemies and evil things against his Rabbis

chay chayi: The so called "Rabbis" of today, are not Rabbis, and those "Rabbis" that accepted Jews are not true Jewish, they are reform and half secular Jews, or totally secular, or assimilated Jews,that don't live by God's laws of the Torah, so they are like non Jews, and simply not Rabbis

That old Rabbi propaganda that Christians are on at, is lie propaganda of missionaries in Israel, that old Kabalist Rabbi write a letter, they interpretate it to Jesus, and that old silly uneducated follower, is deceived and fooled by those missionaries

chay chayi: There were many false Messiah's, not only Jesus, the reason why Jesus is attractive "by the written NT", is because he routed and based and comes from the Jewish spirit and belief of God, and the Jewish belief is the pure truth and attractive by God's holy spirit, and he based himself on prophecy scripture, this is the only reason why Jesus is out standing unlike the other false Messiah's

chay chayi: Bainu, you brought together Mark and Matthew, they always contradict

Mark 11:12-20
The next day, when they left Bethany, Jesus was hungry. And seeing a fig tree afar with leaves, see if it was, perhaps he might find something. Approaching it, he found nothing but leaves; because it was not figs times. Then said Jesus: Never ever eat fruit from you! And his disciples heard it. And going in the morning, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.

Matthew 21:19
"The fig tree withered away, seeing that the disciples admired up and saying, How quickly the fig tree withered!"

Mark says, they dried, Matthew said it withered away

bainyu: Wow the story you wrote is bind blowing. This is what the pharisees told everyone. This is what Jews are being told. They are buying into a lie. When Jesus' body was not found they made up a lie. They made up numerous lies to cover the truth of who Jesus was. They probably held a meeting when they heard the news of Jesus not being in the tomb. Its easy to make up lies.. especially with the supernatural. Many statutes had been added on to the Jewish law before Jesus was alive.

I dont mind talking about the Bible but lets not talk about what Jews "say" about Jesus. The jewish record of it is basically rumors with no proof or personal tie. Do you know whats funny is rumors are extremely easy to start and those lies are easy to spread. Its foolish. The Bible says the exact opposite of everything you just said. Im not even gonna reply to the foolishness of each sentence. I have no words..

Isaiah 9
5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;
6 That the Government may be Increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the Throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to Establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through Righteousness from Henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts doth Perform this.

The prophecies are MANY. You put prophecies from different time periods together. There are many pieces to the puzzle. God shows in part. And so when we read where Jesus says even before Araham I am we go back to moses and when God stated His name. It may not have been a prophecy but it is a correlation/parallel. Every verse, chapter and book is within the context of the Bible as A WHOLE. That is why you misunderstand when you read verses like mark because you did not know matthew.

And also you keep trying to find some contradiction in the Bible because you want it not to make sense and you want it to be wrong in some way. The verses you just gave me hold no contradiction. To wither IS to dry up they are synonyms. They mean the SAME thing. No contradiction.

Jesus did everything according to Gods word. Every word He spoke and every action made by Him was according to God the Father. Jesus was "attractive" because He spoke truth and life and that is what every person longs for. The things Jesus did no devil could do. Devils dont cast out other devils. I told you every Kingdom divided amongst itself will fall. Demons fear and tremble at only one name, Jesus. And I have seen it. The name is higher than any name in the world.

bainyu: And The Rabbi who passed away left a note I think thats what you are talking about right?
And in that Hebrew note revealed the name of the messiah. This was a 108 year old Israeli who was around longer than anyone else and was a respected MAN OF GOD. He told them to wait a year after his death to reveal the note, that abbreviated, spelled Jesus' name. Do you believe in coincidences? The rabbi saw Jesus. Christ revealed Himself. Now this is an honored and respected rabbi with more knowledge and experience than all the rest. Is it not God giving yet another opportunity?

bainyu: Also i have looked up the son of man and it is in the hebrew text and translates to not some normal person. Look it up. It complicated

chay chayi: We are not bought into lies, the opposite, the Christians are
Jesus's body was taken from that cave, and was buried near the state Tzephas

AGAIN
There's no reason to deny someone arriving as the Messiah, the Jews are waiting he should come, the same they accepted Moses at the minute he arrived, they didn't even had to reject Jesus, he was nothing at all to be a Messiah, you are deceived by pure lies

Isaiah 9, does not refer to Jesus, it refers to the Messiah in the end of the days

I told you before, that demons are under control of a king demon, and when someone worships the king demon, anything he asks the king demon, the king demon will command the demons under his control to do anything that worshiper asked

Here is what i said before
I clarified that Jesus did everything he did by demons, casting out demons is done by the command of the king of the demons, when someone that pleases the king of the demons by sin he commands other demons to fulfill the sinners wish, demons are under control by the king of the demons, its a whole knowledge in the demons thing

So you ignore the true things i said, repeating the nonsense words Jesus answered, so you're a plain ignorant liar, that does not seek the truth, because you did not reply and answer to what i said, only ignoring it, and repeating what Jesus said, even i replied and explained it, you are based on your blind will the NT and Jesus should be true, and this is the point you are based on, not on knowing the truth, you are based on that the NT and Jesus must be true, because you find it comfortable for you and your desires, now you will try on any way to defend the NT and the Jesus belief, if it makes sense or not, if its true or not, if its ignorant or not, this is the case with you

chay chayi: The entire thing about that note is pure lies, he didn't wright or mean anything about Jesus, some evil people made up this whole thing

chay chayi: There was 54 books of the Jesus belief, with all kind of verses and contradictions, and only 4 got into the NT, its all lies and designed for a good structure and looking believe system

bainyu: Chayi there were witness' to Jesus' ressurection. But first lets start of with rationality. This man who claimed to be the Son of God sent from God was crucified by romans because of religious Jews and his body was taken and wrapped in linen and put in a tomb that was never used and the tombs enterance was sealed with a large rock. The idea that they would not have secured it and made sure his body was there and not moved is RIDICULOUS. In their eyes Jesus was the worst of the worst. Like a terrorist. Imagine how governments treats terrorist?? Extra security and guards to make sure everything is exact. Like c'mon... these jews would have pressured the roman government to make things perfect so that they would feel at ease that this man who had been causing so much problems in their eyes was done away with efficiently. Im not even gonna use bible scriptures of the account. Think objectively on this.

Jesus' followers were taught to to be peaceful and law abiders. They were afraid for themselves. Jesus, the one who they trusted everything was crucified and they could have been next. They were afraid why would they try and get themselves in trouble in any way? They were in mouring.

Jesus' body was never found.. anyone can find bones and say they are christ' but they would be lying.

Chayii
There is a big reason why they would deny Jesus... Jesus disrupted their ritual and tradition. That is a reason people all over the world have conflict.. they dont like change and disruption of what they feel is right or have been doing forever. Jesus is not what they had in mind of their messiah being. Jesus hung out with sinners and of course a "holy man" should not do that right? Because the idea is that holiness is appearance based. The pharisees would never be with a tax collector who is considered the worst. Am I right?
Jesus was everything humble is. He didnt fit in their picture of messiah. They probably thought the messiah would be similar to them.


You wrote a lot. I read what you wrote. I just am not gonna respond to flat out lies that are in detail and specific. What you are describing is a long detailed rumor. Sort of like a myth thats been passed down from generation to generation.

You are calling the messiah evil. Its a oxymoron to say Jesus was a demon. Its sad really. You never would dare call the Father that and if somone ever said that about the Father you would be extremely offended. You dont mean it in a mean way its just that you dont get what you are saying, at all.

Demons have power and can show signs, I know that of course. But where you are not getting it is that the proof of who Jesus was was shown to all those who followed Him. Jesus was Israeli and He was in submission to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. He did in Gods name. The God of the scrolls. The way you know if Jesus is Lord is through the Holy Spirit. To say a person who heals and stuff is from the Devil.. anyone can say that. Why did the Israelites believe moses? Why didnt think he was from a demon or doing things with demonic power? You will say moses didnt claim Lordship. Jesus' ministry was only for 3 years compared to moses. My question is how can you tell that someones miracles are from God?? Because the way you claim what Jesus did is not from God we can apply that to every person in the Bible who did miracles.

Jesus never went against the word of God Jesus spoke the word of God and followed His words with signs from God. If Jesus was saying things contrary to the word then thats another thing but He did not so then I dont know what you are saying. Jesus came to FUFILL.

And what you were saying about the Mud and spit could be the same for moses turning the snake into a rod.. a snake is a holy animal right!?! Wrong.. so therefore it MUST BE WITCHCRAFT!!!

bainyu: The note was real. You have no proof of it being fake. It was confirmed as real. Just because something doesnt agree with what you beliveoesnt mean that it is automatically fake. Of course the jewish community was stunned and shaken but he did write it and it did spell Jesus.

Do you believe in coincidences Chayi? I really dont think you do. Did you read the letter? Im sure you can read hebrew. The first letters of each word spell out the Messiah's name, right?

What evil people made that up? This man had a son who was invoved. If it was fake which it was not because his son did say that his dad had a vision revealing the messiah then would his son agree and would it have been confirmed?.. if someone this respected and God fearing says something like that I would tale it into consideration. God appointed Him. You dont have to believe everything someone says but dont dismiss important things.

bainyu: The verses you gave me were not contradictions but you believed them to be not knowing what you were saying. So are those verses you gave still contradicting? And you better not say yes, if you do that means you are being stubborn and dishonest. Admitting you were wrong is a sign of maturity lol

chay chayi: There was no witnesses, and in many doctrines of Jesus that was not included in the NT, is even not mentioned that he rose from the death, many said that he disappeared, but not that he came back ad showed himself up to his disciples, and many contractions, the Jesus belief system was manufactured from while after while, to build up a powerful belief system, Jesus never rose from his death, they did put guards, but after MANY days, NOT THREE, they took him out, after the guards left, after many days, then the doctrines claim the 3 day story, its all made up, and there was not any witnesses, its only what someone wrote on scrolls YEARS after Jesus was killed, you only have WRITTEN doctrines, no witnesses, and Christians were known to lie, like Jesus lied

There was about 450 years ago, a kabalist that had God's holy spirit, he cast out demons, he told all private details to anyone in his life, he gave to people paths to wipe their sins, he made dead alive, he spoke to angles and souls of death, and much more, he was 38 when he died, his name is Yitchuk Luria, you can google it, he discovered many unknown graves from the time of the prophets and the Rabbis of the Talmud, everything thing he said to people was proved and accurate, he spoke to prophets even to Moses and Elijah, in Israel, and he said that he sees the grave of Jesus, buried out side of the state Tzephas in Israel

How can Jesus change anything what God said through Moses, and God said not to change his words and commands for ever, every time God gave a command, he said its for ever, to all generations, till the end of the days, the last prophecy book Malachi ends; 4:4 "Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and rules that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel.

And the first prophet after Moses Joshua starts; 1:7/8 Only be strong and very courageous, being careful to do according to all the law that Moses my servant commanded you. Do not turn from it to the right hand or to the left, that you may have good success wherever you go. 8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

ALL the prophecy books, and Deuteronomy says that you should not bend NEVER right or left from the commands God commanded through Moses, so now when Jesus comes and brakes many words of the Torah, besides that he said many things that is against the belief of God, besides his personality was not holy, besides that his birth and life was with sin, like i said before, but YOU claim its lies from those horrible disgusting and hypocrite Rabbis, like the NT says, what the truth was the opposite, Jesus and his people were the hypocrites, they were all sinned, and lived with sin, its not about tradition, its about what God commanded, commands are not ritual, they are God's spirit

I didn't say that Jesus was a demon, i said that he had demonic spirits and power

The way to know if its miracles from God or demonic power is, if his personality is holy, and he obeys God, and doesn't change God's commands, and he's straight and pure, not like Jesus that any question he was asked to prove himself, he always answered with charismatic answers to avoid proof, unlike Moses was pure and straight, answered and proved everything straight, unlike Jesus always answered something so called "wise" to avoid straight proof

The Talmud says many sins Jesus committed when his Rabbi didn't accept him (according to Jesus's mistake)

The reason of the miracle of a snake is, because he had a stick, and a stick matches to a snake, and because the snake was who lied to Adam, and Moses came to heal the world from the lies of the evil snake, and the stick of Moses swallowed all the snakes of the Egyptian magic

chay chayi: Commands are not ritual, they are God's spirit, if you won't eat or or drink, you'll die, you must eat literally, every act in God's commands are meant spiritually, every command in action is spiritual

chay chayi: Coincidences is a Jewish thing, its part of the Talmud and the Torah, and kabalah is full of it, but he did not mean any initials, and its even not the exact initials of Jesus, besides its not in order, it has more letters than his name, its all moley beloney made by evil people, you know that missionaries try to occupy Israel, and his son denies the entire beloney story, kaduri was a kabalst of Yitzchuk Luria, his entire life was studying the kabalah of Yitchuk Luria, and Yitchuk Luria spoke about the sins of Jesus, and is based on the Talmud, its a evil lie made by assimilating Jews in Israel, as the secular cult of the Zionist are off Jewish, so these kind people, made up this false interpretation

chay chayi: Maybe you're right that that verse doesn't contradict, but i didn't know what the word "withered" meant, so i looked it up in the dictionary, and it said, "flew away" that it got ripped out and flew away

chay chayi: There is a doctrine that says, that when Jeus was a child he made birds out of clay on Shabbat, he broke the Shabbat, he clapped with his hand and they became alive and they flew away on Shabbat, so he was born with adultery like the Talmud says, that's why he had demonic power as a child, demons are the Satans soldiers, that doctrine says that he killed a boy that accidentally banged in his arms, and many other bad things he did with his power, and this is against a Messiah definition, but that doctrine describes it that they said to Joseph if he has thos "divine" power in him self, he should use in the kind and good way, and Joseph started to educate Jesus, he should change him self to use on the god kind way ...... AMessiah will not be born evil and murder (besides he broke the Shabbat) and then change it to right, this is the lies of the Jesus belief, mixed evil with rightness

chay chayi: Here's the link of that doctrine
http://gnosis.org/library/inftoma.htm

chay chayi: Or this link
http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/LostBooks/infancyall.htm

chay chayi: Or here is the clearest link
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0846.htm

chay chayi: The same way that the law of not killing, is not lifted, the same way is all the laws, why only laws between human, but not between human and God ?? the laws between human and God are the worship and connection to Go

chay chayi: Jesus was based on Judaism, he was a student of Jewish wisdom, learned and studied the Jewish knowledge and truth and wisdom till his 30, he was a student of the greatest rabbi in his time, the spiritual wisdom he took from the Jewish prophecy books, that are included in the bible in the OT, the morally wisdom he also learned by his rabbi, the basics and wisdom of spirit and the wisdom of a Messiah, is also everything from the Jewish truth, and non Jews get attractive from the writings of and about Jesus, BUT the problem is, that he mixed it with sin and many, false details, and he wasn't the person to be the Messiah, so Judaism has no room for Jesus in particular, and the false and sinned mixtures in the Messiah thing and spirit, so Judaism is the core and the base Jesus built on, but he falsified it, now, Judaism has the room of the Messiah who is supposed to come very soon, but who he is the true Messiah

bainyu: These are rumors, myths... apart of Jewish culture and Judaisms firm denial of their Messiah. You are just saying things that arent true so there is no discussion about this. You are just regurgitating false information that has been ingrained in your mind from a young age.

Jesus' life was God word. The Bible is its the old covenant and the new covenant. God doesnt stop working and moving along with his plan just because people refuse to follow the God whom they claim to Worship.

Basically the pharisees said no God this is not the way we thought you would bring our messiah therefore we refuse to accept Him.
Jesus gave people a relationship with God not a religion and ritual to follow. God is now being accessible to a normal person instead of just a kind or prophet. God lives in a believers heart.

Jesus calls them a generation or sons of vipers, snakes. Its very odd how a person can know so much but truly understand so little.. its not about what someone knows. Knowledge and Bible exellence does not take one to heaven, neither does Israeli blood.

We already went through how Gods law is sacred and Jesus magnified the law and pointed it directly to our heart. The Bible talks about the heart and its sinful/evil condition. Change of God does not start outside in. It starts inside out. Your heart has to change and true change doesnt start from Just following a set of rules. The Law cannot take you to heaven because if you are under the Law you will die by the law and you will be judged by the law meaning if you are not perfect by the laws standards you CANNOT enter into heaven. If we are judged by the law the law says we are guilty and deserve hell fire. Sit down and write all of Gods laws down then think of how many tipes you have broken each. You cannot go to heaven based on following the law on your own. You cannot fufill the requirements.

I understand that is what you believe Jesus to be but one thing is dont push it too far. I understood the first couple of times when you called Jesus out of His name.