Where is God When You Need Him? (Page 4)

ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Bastards!
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Zanjan
Zanjan: You guys don't score any points for offering encouragement to those who are making an effort.

We know *you* don't want to be good...now, your mockery makes it look like you don't want THEM them to be good either. Wasa matter - losing your grip?
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calybonos
calybonos: My Debit card rewards program gives me all the bonus points I need.

Enough for me to buy that pair of grip gloves I've been wanting.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Zanjan, why are you always doing the talking for God? Why don't you let the cove speak for Himself once in a while.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Hey, He was talking long before I was born and will be long after I'm dead. Apparently, you've missed a lot of it. Just wanted you to know.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Cloven hoof grip gloves -> on Mrs. Clause's woolly knit list. Could start a craze.
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ghostgeek
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I tune in but there isn't anyone broadcasting.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Guess I'll have to make do with the cloven hoof grip gloves.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: God speaks through many mouths, even the mouths of babes. He hears all and sees all.

Furthermore, there always comes a time when God calls in His marks - who will stand for Him?

*I* will, and I won't let Him down.
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KevinUse
KevinUse: that is true, God speaks through people, more primarily his flock or servants
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KevinUse
KevinUse: That is one way in which he can speak, but there is also the Holy Spirit, who speaks directly to you without any middle persons
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: And yet, when pushed, nobody can show that this "God" exists. You are, of course, free to prove me wrong.
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KevinUse
KevinUse: you are welcome, i think it is absurd and preposterous to look in to the existence of God as a solid or something explicitly physically corroborative, The idea of God is discovered in Faith, it is only when you believe that you can prove or therefor disprove that He exists. that is unless you have faith, you remain precluded from this sets of privileges my friend
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The Nation of Islam believes that its founder, Wallace D. Fard, was Allah incarnate, and that Elijah Muhammad was a Prophet of Allah. That's their faith, so I guess they must be right.
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KevinUse
KevinUse: like I said, Faith is into believing, and its quite a different of them. but whether or not people are right in what they believe in lies in the proof of resultant faith or belief based evidence that follows. for example. Jesus says, if you pray believing that you have already believed, it shall be yours(this is a good example of faith application into receiving). that way we hold God accountable in all he says bound by his word on the guidelines that, does he fully carry out his word or scriptural promises as he has asserted. this is a powerful test means of any faith. and i don't have to remind you that everybody believes in something including Atheist. but the proof is in the pudding, in other words do what they believe in exist or not
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Skelvinett, the proof of the pudding is that there is no pudding. That's the trouble with puddings, they are either there, in front of you, or they aren't. And basically, it's the same with God. He either has a presence, or He doesn't. Sadly, you can't rustle up God when I ask you to, so you fall back onto faith and hope you can wing it. You can't.
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chronology
chronology: Well ghost Old Chap the real question is not so much is there a God, something you have found pointless all your life. But is there a Hell?

The idea of having extreme pain inflicted on someone for ever and ever and ever is something most people find difficult to grasp. But you have to ask yourself is 'God' capable of this, 'no' say most of the religions today, 'yes' say people who have studied the Bible, God has a proven history of dealing very harshly with people who get out of line. He cursed every human and animal because of Eve's nudist fruit stealing, He destroyed the world with Floods killing all but a few thousand humans and animals, He dripped burning fire and brimstone on Sodom and Ghomorah , He insisted on genocidal slaughter of conqured people, instructed people found collecting sticks on the Sabath be stoned to death, women found commiting adultery He insisted be stoned to death.

So you see ghost Old Chap, according to the Bible God is very capable of running a torture chamber for ever and ever.

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KevinUse
KevinUse: I understand that our psychological alignment is not the same, If you saw a cupcake and someone told you how it was made(recipe). the proof lies in the instruction contained in the the recipe, that is whether you choose to follow precisely[obedience] or otherwise[disobedience] it is your business, so long it is clearly documented or detailed as to how you can Go about it. When you read Deuteronomy 28:1 thats exactly what you find. God goes something like "if you obey these commandments that i set before you today, these blessings shall come upon you", In other words it is up to you to find out whether it works or not and the means is faith(belief). you have got to decide weather to prove or disprove God to be right or wrong, or either he exists or not. but before you exercise your faith. i am afraid you remain permanently precluded of things of the spirit, you remain a non-partaker and therefore a non-beneficiary
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Yep, God has all the makings of the Devil, so it's a good job I don't believe in either.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: One only has to look at Exodus to see that Moses was a consummate liar. That is why the God of the Bible doesn't exist. Moses invented Him.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Well, aren't you the basket of generosity! How easy to accuse Moses of being a liar because you don't understand what He was talking about or what the ancient people appreciated about Him.

"the Holy Spirit,"

Too bad most people don't know what that is. Such are those who've never experienced it, but hey, they'll describe it to ya! Those who are shackled to tradition and don't have the freedom to search for the reality have to invent their own religion.

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Zanjan
Zanjan: "Sadly, you can't rustle up God when I ask you to, so you fall back onto faith and hope you can wing it. You can't. "

That's actually true.

You see, here is the substance of living faith: Knowing that our thoughts change the world of being. For example, if you think dismal thoughts of war and anger, you depress the world, adding to its misery; if you generate thoughts of love and peace, you lift the world, which is conducive to harmony. This is actually ancient knowledge, from God, tried and true.

If I put a thought into YOUR head, there's a chance you might do something with it BUT only you can make it work.

If the thoughts of a group of people are torn and disruptive and see only strife, they locally disturb the natural activities of the physical world in kind. This last one is what moderns are having trouble grasping right now.

The radiance of your soul can't be hidden, it can only be prevented from active expression. You are the only person who can permit that to happen to yourself.

Thus, we have material civilization but without spiritual civilization, the body of humanity can't survive. Both kinds of civilization were meant to continually advance.

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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Moses was talking nonsense. If you take the trouble to actually investigate his claims, it's easy to see he was spinning the Hebrews a line. Do we have to go through this again?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: No, we've agreed to accept the fact that 2 people can read the same words and derive something totally different about it. That should be proof enough for you that God is involved.
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