I'm an Agnostic Deist. Lautlos: I'm not seeing any threads for Agnosticism/Skepticism, so...I'm an Agnostic Deist. Ask me about anything you'd like to discuss. calybonos: I believe in threads, but I'm not sure there's enough evidence to be completely sure about them. calybonos: And yet, here I am, posting in one...just in case. Just a little heads up for ya, though. I excuse myself to go to the bathroom when the collection plate gets passed around. Lautlos: Apparently so. They seemed active enough, and I saw people replying to them who aren't usually in the Religion room, so I thought it'd be a cool way to see how more people think. Lautlos: I don't claim to *know* a God exists, but I lean towards it being true. I admit I have no evidence therein, though, so I'm not going to commit to anything. Lautlos: Easy, the same way every other religion does: "a hunch." The fine tuning argument is one that comes across my mind most often: it all seems way too well put together for there to not have been SOMEthing at the start. Whether that something interferes anymore or not, is another story. BedroomPunishment: The universe would have to be as it is for the fine tuning argument to exist at all. In light of all of the good information we have on how the universe formed without any need of an anthropomorphic being, isn't suggesting the universe was created as it exists so we can make the fine tuning argument less likely than we can make the fine tuning argument -because- the universe exists as it does? Lautlos: Lol, I don't claim to know anything about the supernatural for certain. I think it's silly to claim to KNOW one way or another. BedroomPunishment: Ought one have to know something for certain to be true or untrue in order to believe or not believe it? Lautlos: No, that's the entire point of belief. You don't know for certain. If I *knew* about God, it wouldn't be a belief; it'd be knowledge of a fact. Just like you can't "believe" in evolution, because it's fact. BedroomPunishment: So you don't have to know for certain that god doesn't exist in order to believe god doesn't exist. It's more plausible that a god doesn't exist since god plays no role in the modern, better theories that explain the universe... why believe in a god at all? micheal_geist1958: The fine-tuning argument can find its counterargument along something in this simple quote: "Try to locate the dot that has turned into a period." (Joan Retallack). And as Jesus loved parables, I'll leave this for Lautlos to solve. Agnosis is an epistemological NECESSARY lack of unequivocal knowledge, which people seem to forget and begin talking within the context of the attainability of a stable ontological proof of God- which is very very boring: as this convo is beginning to look. and shame on you, BP. thought you were a Wittgensteinian fideist but you're just a dirty fedora peasant after all-- go wolf down your already crusty cool ranch doritos ELSEWHERE BedroomPunishment: You know an argument is good when the rebuttal is a fashion critique. *tips fedora* M'lady RadIntentions: There are some things that are just easier to believe, like your significant other has never cheated on you. I say believe in what ever makes you the best person you can be, though personally I am just agnostic. If God does or does not exist, I'd do the same thing with my life. I suppose my question is, would you act any different if you found for certain God was/ was not real? calybonos: would you act any different if you found for certain God was/ was not real? I suppose that would depend on which God we're talking about. There seems to be quite a bit of differences in the various God's will, in respect to dealing with moral dilemmas. But, yeah. I probably wouldn't want whichever God proved to be real to see me as I usually am - mostly preoccupied with myself and acting like a....well, like a pig. Lautlos: I probably wouldn't act much different if a certain God was or wasn't real. Sure, some religions say "oh but you must follow these doctrines or else," but if the God in charge of those religions is *that* picky about dogma, well...I'd say no one's getting on their good side, anyways. May as well keep being a good person. RadIntentions: Well, my thought on the matter is "Even if their God is real, they might be wrong about him/ her. No all loving God would want you to just kill someone for being born the way they made them. etc. And if they're not really all loving, they aren't really worth being worshiped/ followed." | Religion Chat Room 32 People Chatting Similar Conversations |