The Mystery of Jesus Christ. (Page 59)

ghostgeek: I don't think it takes much figuring out. He means everyone, the whole population of planet earth, including you, Zanjan. You and I might disagree with him, but that doesn't alter his meaning.

The13th: We as in Maverick and Goose.

Zanjan: Indeed, never assume the obvious - always give a person the benefit of doubt.

The13th: Thanks.

kellyfarr: well I like to think all ppl are gods creations..... I don't believe it plays favorites. personal opinion though, certainly not looking to conflict with anyone/argue. shoot who doesn't love maverick and goose.lol

Zanjan: So much for not having anything more to say about that subject. In your own style, you've said that you believe we're all a child of the universe. I have no argument with that. We're all made of star dust and we're all a product of our environment.

However, "Sons and daughters of God"...... these are not your words. You have the privilege of your own beliefs but turning others beliefs into something else doesn't work. Remember who coined that term - it's a *title*. Try not to create a generation gap so wide it's left the solar system.

Yes, God created every soul, endowing each with "Free Will". It's up to humans to use that power responsibly; thus, He sent divine Teachers to show them how to conduct themselves accordingly, becoming the noble creatures God intended.

God didn't guarantee all of them would learn their lessons and use that gift for the right purpose. Those who fail don't share equal rank with those who pass - a title has to be earned.

You're only a *son/daughter of God* (as opposed to a son/daughter of men) if you've inherited His Spirit. Not all are worthy of that inheritance so have utterly wasted it, leaving nothing to pass on. Those have no right to bear His name.

kellyfarr: sorry, meant no offense, just got back on wire trying to make new friends. totally fair and valid point......do u think its even possible to show respect for all religions without offending another?

Zanjan: Yes, as long as you're having a conversation with someone who, like yourself, refuses to take offense.

kellyfarr: thats fair! I like that!

ghostgeek: History tells us there was a Jesus Christ. History doesn't tell us that He rose after three days. Paul, or Saul, got that tidbit circulating.

Zanjan: Maybe some people don't understand how He rose. What were you expecting Him to do - rise like a loaf of bread or mushroom cloud? Maybe it was His Spirit that people saw rising.

It wasn't just Jesus. People rose out of their spiritual graves at the end of the crucifixion, while His dead body was still on the cross. People testified they saw Jesus after He'd been killed - it's not uncommon for family members to have a visitation by a loved one who's passed on.

The healing continued. What does history know about healing the soul? History records that His body disappeared from the tomb, not that it rose from the tomb. Jesus told them it's not His physical body they should be interested in.

ghostgeek: Paul suggests some sort of ghostly apparition appeared to believers. That doesn't necessarily mean Jesus walked out of His tomb.

Zanjan: True. You realize that the Jewish test of resurrection (by sealing the Prophet's tomb & posting guards) would have turned out in their favour if it had worked. Do you think the Jews would have accepted Christian reports of a ghostly apparition as proof of resurrection, that God keeps His word?

Now common, how hard was it for a couple of guys to secretly carry the body out under cover and take it elsewhere to a secret location? It's been done before. They could have just taken it to the next tomb beside it. 15 minutes ought to do it.

The Jews weren't too swift - could have been done before the tomb was sealed. Not like they'd walk in and pull off the wound and tied burial shroud to double check, eh. If not, well, it was done anyway because the guards mysteriously fell asleep. A little tipple of mandrake fruit, too much wine, maybe a snort of opium? I'm going for that last one.

ghostgeek: I'm sticking with the four Gospels being Roman fiction. I believe there was a novel floating around at the time which included a scene where a woman disappeared from her tomb. Might have given our Gospel writers an idea or two.

ghostgeek: Some people believe in the Book of Mormon. Doesn't mean it has to be true. The same applies to the Gospels.

Zanjan: You're right, doesn't mean any book is true.

However, if it is, God will prove it and several confirmations will be given - that is, several confirmations will be given in an Old Holy Book, and several in a new Holy Book plus, physical/scientific evidence to back it up.

Here is one proof: Only God's Revelators deliver a true Book & all God's Revelators are born in the East, from the shores of the Mediterranean Sea to as far as India. It's a rather narrow swath through that region, described in the Holy Books again and again. The Revelators all link their descent from Abraham; each is the Bearer of a new religion.

These are the basic requirements of a true Holy Book given by God, at a specific time. Study the source. The content speaks for itself - it must deliver new knowledge for mankind plus practical remedies to heal the world's problems.

ghostgeek: We have the practical remedies to heal the world's problems. We just don't have the will to apply them.

Zanjan: Not everyone has heard of all of the practical remedies; nevertheless, you're right - SOME people don't have the will to apply them. Why? Perhaps they don't believe they'll work? Maybe a few think that but doubt doesn't hold curious people back for long. Apparently, it's more like they're *all* a bunch of lawless bandicoots.

I'll repeat here what I posted in another topic:

>>"God makes the religious laws; when one obeys them with a pure heart, that one becomes the living law - through this, truth can be known from falsehood."

If I'm one of the obedient, then I AM the law; ergo, if you attack me, the truth teller and the liar will be quickly exposed - always.

ghostgeek: Those who marched behind Hitler were obedient. Creators of hell on earth they were.

Zanjan: There ya go. Did Hitler tell them the truth? Some were forced to march for him; some did so willingly. How long did it take for them to learn the truth....4 years? What's 4 years in a lifetime? It holds many lessons.

Let's just say, nobody forgot the most important law - that one man can never rule world.

ghostgeek: At least Hitler wrote a book. More than this God of yours has done.

Zanjan: Theodor Geisel wrote many, many books...they were known as the Dr. Seuss books, way more popular than Hitler's attempt to write.

God, on the other hand, creates living Books.....then men render them into ink.

ghostgeek: I've never seen a living book. What does it look like?

Zanjan: A human.

ghostgeek: So the words of God are written on a human page. All hail the Man.