Islam-- Way of life (Page 2)

TrueWord: In your response to your question regarding the purpose of life.

In the Quran, Allah gives us the answer to this question in the following two verses:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me." [Qur'an 51:56]

"[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -" [Qur'an 67:2]


To summarize, based on what our Creator, Allah the Almighty, states in the Quran we can derive two conclusions regarding the purpose of life:

1) Allah created us to test us and see which of us is best in our actions/deeds.

2) Allah created us to worship Him



Hope that answers your question.

Thanks,
Br. TrueWord

ghostgeek: "What is the only religion that god accepts?" Are you serious Nuur? Don't you know that God accepts all religions. Just ask a true believer on any part of the globe. They'll always tell you that God accepts their religion, whatever it might be.

Nuur25: @ghostgeek,

Some Scriptures were only for old times . Believe it or not, the current bible is not the one which god (Allah) gave to Moses and Jesus [peace be upon them) and this (corruption and scripture-twisting) man-made modification of the bible continues to this day.

I don't have to interrogate anyone in respect to why Islam is the only accepted religion in the sight of Allah. I am thankful to Allah , the Almighty, the King of all creations for showing me the reason why he preferred Islam over other religions.

I got the answer to your question from his nobble quran.

Here is the beautiful verse from the Quran ( the unchanged and true word of Allah).

"whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers" (Surah Aal'imraan 3:85)

Islam started the time of prophet Adam (peace be upon him) and ended with Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon)- the last prophet of all the prophets.

Unlike other scriptures, like the bible, the Quran is preserved by Allah, the exalted. It has never been modified and it will never be modified by anyone. Allah revealed this Quran and he will protect it until the day of qiyama ( judgment day) .As Allah mentioned in the holly Quran: "Inna nahnu nazzalna zikra wa inna lahu lahafizoon" "Verily!, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Quran) and surely We will guard it (from corruption)" chapter 15, Surah Al-hijr, verse no. 9

In conclusion, my dear friend, I provided you with clear proofs , evidences, clear verses from the Quran., and we ask god to guide you to the right path (islam) Ameen. Islam is the Only religion acceptable in the sight of Allah and the ONLY solution for humanity. May Allah make us understand his Deen (religion) well and guide us to the right path. The true path which those before us took (Islam). And may Allah keep us good muslims until we depart from this world.

Ameen, ameen, Ameen ya Allah.

TrueWord: @ghostgeek,

Nuur speaks the truth.

In addition to what Nuur stated, I will like to add that in the Qur'an, Allah the Almighty [God] states:

"Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah [God] is Islam" [Qur'an 3:19]

It is apparent from this verse, that the religion God has chosen for all of His creations is Islam. Furthermore, Allah highlights this again in Chapter 5 of the Qur'an in which Allah states:

"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." [Qur'an 5:3]

Zanjan: Nuur, it's true that the Words of the Quran haven't been been changed - it was the first fully authenticated scripture in the history of the world. However, it's not true that the Quran hasn't been corrupted - we see how certain Muslim sects have taken its Words to meet its own ends.

A corrupt heart carries and spreads corruption of the Book. This means, interpretation thereof. If this were not true,none of the religions, including Islam would have broken down into tens of thousands of sects.

We have the Quran, a Book given to an ancient tribal people in an ancient language, a dialect of Arabic nobody speaks today. We should place it in that context and realize language has its limitations, even when not translated to another language. We should also consider the exigencies of the time when that Book was revealed.

When I was young, Muslims knew this truth - that's why I couldn't get my hands on a Quran. In those days, one couldn't buy a copy anywhere, not even from a Muslim congregation - one had to be a Muslim first, before receiving the Book. And, of course, it wasn't translated into English - you had to learn Arabic to read it.

I used to think of them as greedy, since they were jealously guarding their wares. Then I realized it was because they thought that people in a predominantly Christian (Western) society wouldn't understand. This is why I never became a Muslim.

I used to tell them if the Quran was God's Book, then God wants everybody to have it. They were silent. And Lo, thirty years later, the Quran could be found anywhere, and in English too! People of my generation will tell you that's the truth.


By the way, the same reasoning you use for truth is the same all previous religions used. The common denominator is this theme -> that if you don't accept our Prophet of God, you're going to hell. One can't get more negative than that.

Zanjan: What I'd like to see from Islam is, it's people becoming more united in God's Word and Spirit, not only between themselves, but with those in other religions of God. This will positively reduce conflict in the world, and re-inforce the peoples who say they have the Spirit.

This, and only this can provide the example to the rest of the world that you have something wonderful that's made you into a people who are actually capable of leading the world to peace. Do you not want to distinguish yourselves this way?

I KNOW God wants that. So, let's try to find more agreement by looking at the consistency in God's Voice - the sameness that's good and beautiful.

Nuur25: The Quran is 100% authentic and corruption-free scripture. I can’t agree more with you on this. The Quran is the actual divine speech of Allah (God). There is absolutely no inconsistency in its verses. In case you missed this verse I mentioned above in my prior post, Allah himself guaranteed that He will guard and preserve this Quran from human tampering until the Judgment day.

Allah, the almighty states this verse in the Quran:

"Inna nahnu nazzalna zikra wa inna lahu lahafizoon" "Verily!, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Quran) and surely We will guard it (from corruption)" chapter 15, Surah Al-hijr, verse no. 9.

Moreover, Allah (God) states that there are no contradictions in the Quran.
Allah Says: "Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions." Chapter 4, surah An-nissa, Verse no. 82.

Why there is division in Islam?

Here is a long hadith narrated by Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman from the prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him):

"The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I asked, "Will there be good after that evil?" He said, "Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil)." I asked, "What will its Dakhan be?" He said, "There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them." I said, "Will there by any evil after that good?" He said, "Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them)." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Describe those people to us." He said, "They will belong to us and speak our language" I asked, "What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?" He said, "Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief." I asked, "If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?" He said, "Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state."

Is there division in other religions?

let’s find out insha’allah……..

The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy two sects; the Christians were split up into seventy-one or seventy two sects; and my (ummah) community will be split up into seventy-three sects. Narrated by AbuHurayrah

From this hadith we must make it clear that the messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) never supported division amongst Muslims. The prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) predicted that something like this will happen. Certainly, we see this split up happening within Muslims today.

Lastly, there is division within people in every religion. But it is up to us to hold firmly onto the rope of Allah all together and we must not become divided. We must also follow the sunnah ( tradition) of our most beloved Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The Quran encourages us to be united. as Allah, the almighty, states in the Quran :

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided". Chapter 3, Surah Al-e-Imran, verse no. (3:103)"

Allah says in another verse:

"Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do". Chapter 6, Surah Al-an-Aam. verse no. (6:159).

God knows best,

@zanjan, peace be upon you…….

ghostgeek: There is absolutely no inconsistency in the Quran's verses? I don't know enough to comment on your statement Nuur but I have found a website that claims to list a whole lot of contradictions in the Quran. Seems not everybody agrees with you. Why don't you go take a look at: http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/#internal

TrueWord: @ghostgeek

answeringislam.org is a hatred website against Islam. It is invalid and all the content in the website can be disproved. I challenge you to provide anything from that website that you feel uncertain about, and I will gladly provide you the evidence that disproves the specific content.

Regards,
TrueWord

ghostgeek: OK TrueWord, here's something from answeringislam.org:

"Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22]."

This sounds like a contradiction to me.

Nuur25: @Ghostgeek,
What you came across was a website full of hatred and lies.

TRUE is right. I have come across such websites. These liars get paid for providing misleading, misinterpreted verses of the Quran and misinterpreted Hadiths of the prophet (peace be upon him) to the future Muslims (Nonmuslims that are willing to convert to Islam) so they can see Islam as a religion of hostility, and violence.

Zanjan: Here are the verses about not making friends, Ghost:

9: 23 "O believers! make not friends of your fathers or your brethren if they
love unbelief above faith: and whoso of you shall make them his friends, will
be wrong doers."

58; 20-22 " Satan hath gotten mastery over them, and made them forget the
remembrance of God. These are Satan's party. What! shall not verily the party
of Satan be for ever lost.

Verily, they who oppose God and His Apostle shall be among the most vile. God hath written this decree: "I will surely prevail, and my Apostles also." Truly God is Strong, Mighty.

Thou shalt not find that any of those who believe in God, and in the last day, love him who opposeth God and His Apostle, even though they be their fathers, or their sons, or their brethren, or their nearest kin. On the hearts of these hath God graven the Faith, and with His own Spirit hath He strengthened them; and He will bring them into gardens, beneath whose shades the rivers flow, to remain therein eternally. God is well pleased in them, and they in Him. These are God's party! Shall not, of a truth, a part of God be for ever blessed?"


This is about **opposition** to God, God's Apostle and His religion. That's a different thing than not wanting to become a member of that religion, for whatever reason. Opposition is an act, not a thought.

Zanjan: Interesting choice, Ghost - a quote that contains THE LAST DAY. When Muhammad delivered this, it was the earliest hour of Islam. He notes, it will have a Last Day - and that's when those followers had to start worrying about whether or not God would choose them. That's the time when many Muslims will have lost faith.

The same was true of Christianity. They variously called it the End of Times/End of the Age/End of the World/ The End Days.

Those Muslims who've lost faith actually oppose the Apsotle and Islam even though they remain Muslims - you see, they don't truly believe so their acts have contributed to destroying the communities.

We all share an understanding that such faithless members of religion increase ONLY during the Last Day - this is the main sign that it IS the Last Day. We don't want to be associated with their kind because they hate the light and are unrecoverable. God leaves them behind.

This is a pattern that always begins with a New Day. The beginning is in the end.

ghostgeek: 17:23 And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment. Whether one or both of them reach old age [while] with you, say not to them [so much as], "uff," and do not repel them but speak to them a noble word.

17:24 And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say, "My Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was] small."

29:8 And We have enjoined upon man goodness to parents. But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them. To Me is your return, and I will inform you about what you used to do.

31:14 And We have enjoined upon man [care] for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing her] in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the [final] destination.

31:15 But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them but accompany them in [this] world with appropriate kindness and follow the way of those who turn back to Me [in repentance]. Then to Me will be your return, and I will inform you about what you used to do.

9:23 O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

58:22 You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. Those - He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him - those are the party of Allah . Unquestionably, the party of Allah - they are the successful.

( All Sahih International )

Being something of a doubting Thomas, I thought I'd take a look at the verses in question myself. Not exactly contradictory, I have to admit, although 58:22 might be so construed.

TrueWord: @ghostgeek,

Right, these verses you posted above are in no way contradictory. Regarding being good to the parents, Allah clearly stated in several verses and advised people to treat their parents with respect and kindness. Here are the list of verses in which the Quran has explained how to treat parents:




1- Chapter: 46 , Verse: 15

"and we have enjoined on man doing of good to his parents; with trouble did his mother bear him and with trouble did she bring him forth; and the bearing of him and the weaning of him was thirty months; until when he attains his maturity and reaches forty years, he says: my lord! grant me that i may give thanks for thy favor which thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that i may do good which pleases thee and do good to me in respect of my offspring; surely i turn to thee, and surely i am of those who submit"

2- Chapter: 31 , Verse: 14

"and we have enjoined man in respect of his parents-- his mother bears him with faintings upon faintings and his weaning takes two years-- saying: be grateful to me and to both your parents; to me is the eventual coming"

3- Chapter: 29 , Verse: 8

"and we have enjoined on man goodness to his parents, and if they contend with you that you should associate (others) with me, of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them, to me is your return, so i will inform you of what you did"

4- Chapter: 4 , Verse: 36

"and serve allah and do not associate any thing with him and be good to the parents and to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the neighbor of (your) kin and the alien neighbor, and the companion in a journey and the wayfarer and those whom your right hands possess; surely allah does not love him who is proud, boastful;"

5- Chapter: 17 , Verse: 23

"and your lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but him, and goodness to your parents. if either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) "ugh" nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word"

6- Chapter: 2 , Verse: 83

"and when we made a covenant with the children of israel: you shall not serve any but allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside"

7- Chapter: 6 , Verse: 151

"say: come i will recite what your lord has forbidden to you-- (remember) that you do not associate anything with him and show kindness to your parents..."



Furthermore,


Regarding the verse 58:22:

58:22 "You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. Those - He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him - those are the party of Allah . Unquestionably, the party of Allah - they are the successful."


To correctly interpret this verse, one must distinguish two matters (1) kindness and respect to parents, (2) love of parents for God's sake.

Along these lines, Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon) clearly indicated to all of mankind that they should be KIND and RESPECTFUL to their parents, EVEN IF the parents are NOT Muslim. However, in Islam, the concept of love is a love for the sake of God, meaning you love someone for the sake of God. What verse 58:22 is stating is that although you must be kind and respectful towards your parents, if they are not believers in God and His Messenger (hence they oppose them), then you can NOT have the "affection" (love them for the sake of God, since they don't believe in Allah and oppose him) as described in verse 58:22.



Hope this answers your concerns.

Thanks,
TrueWord

chayim: It's no such a thing as Islam religion, the quran stole everything from Judaism, from the Torah, even the Arabic language is evolved from Hebrew, there is only one true religion Judaism, what God gave to Moses

God's words are not changeable, he gave 613 commandments, 365 what not to do, 248 what to do, basically, but in details it's endless, and no one has anything to do with God's commandments only the Jews

TrueWord: @chayi,

You fail to realize and acknowledge that Islam is the final religion and seal of all religions. A Muslim can NOT be a Muslim unless he believes in all of the previous books; Psalms of Dawood (David), At-Tawrah (Torah of Moses), Al-Injeel (The Bible of Jesus), and Al-Quran (The Quran reveled to Mohammed). Also, you can NOT be a Muslim if you don't believe in ALL of the Prophets of Allah (God) including Adam, Noah, David, Soliman, Moses, Jesus, etc. and Muhammed (peace be upon him) as the last and final messenger of Allah.


Your comment:
"the quran stole everything from Judaism"

Is both true and false in a sense. True in the sense that the Qur'an is the final revelation from Allah that is consistent in many matters in the Torah and Bible due to the fact that all the scriptures are from the same author - Allah (God) the Almighty. However, false in the sense that the Qur'an never "stole" anything, it is essentially the last book that has been reveled to rectify the errors that were made during the time of Moses and Jesus including the content of the scriptures that were changed by the desires of men. The Jews and Christians of today do NOT follow the true teaching of Moses and Jesus, and that is primarily due to the fact that they are missing the greatest and last piece of the puzzle - The Quran.


Further, Moses clearly states in the Quran that he is the messenger of Allah (God):

"And certainly did We send Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his establishment, and he said, "Indeed, I am the messenger of the Lord of the worlds." [Qur'an 43:46]


Now here is a challenge for you. The Qur'an states if ALL of humanity was to gather to create a book to the likeness of the Quran, they would not be able to:

"And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah (chapter) the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful." [Qur'an 2:23]

"But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers." [Qur'an 2:24]



My advice to you would be that since you are a Jew, you are actually not far off from being a Muslim. As a Muslim, we believe in the Torah, and as mentioned one of the pillars of faith is to believe in ALL of the scriptures revealed by Allah as well as ALL the Prophets of Allah including Adam, Noah, David, Soliman, Moses, Jesus, etc. and Muhammed (peace be upon him) as the last and final messenger of Allah. The issue you face here is that you have stopped at the Torah, when in fact you must also take the leap in accepting the Qur'an to be a true follower of Moses. You see, the fact is, we Muslims are carrying all of the requirements/characteristics/beliefs of the Torah and Bible, and in addition we also carry the Qur'an as it is the seal of the scriptures revealed by Allah (God) and the only book in our time that has NOT been changed by man and that has been preserved by Allah.

The Torah and Bible that exist today have not been preserved and have been modified by the desires of men. The QURAN is the only TRUE WORD of Allah and it MUST be accepted in order to be a believer of God.

Chayi, I humbly invite you to Islam – the religion of all prophets including Moses. Know that if you accept the Qur'an as the true word of Allah (God), and you believe in all of the messengers including the last and final messenger, then you are already a Muslim.

May Allah guide you to the straight path and show you the light and allow you to realize that Moses and all the other prophets were Muslim - submitters to Allah. Ameen.

ghostgeek: TrueWord, you state that Islam is the final religion and seal of all religions. Yet Zanjan and her Baha'i faith disputes this claim. You seem to have some explaining to do.

chayim: Not true, only the Jews have God's knowledge and spirit

ghostgeek: Every religion makes the same claim, that only they know the truth. Someone who doesn't believe shakes their head in sorrow and walks away.

chayim: Only the Jews are doing what the Torah says, only the Jews are doing all God's commands, do muslims keep shabas ? do muslims put tefilin ? do muslims wear tzitzis ? do muslim wear peios (curls on the head both sides) do muslims keep all holidays what the Torah says ? do muslims do all commands of the Torah ? no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ghostgeek: I'm sure they don't Chayi, just as the Jews don't follow the requirements of the Quran.

chayim: No, he said that they believe in he Torah, the quran is taken from the Torah, but they don't do what God said in the Torah

ghostgeek: That's the problem with religions Chayi. They change what went before.

chayim: But Judaism is not changed, and this is Judaism, exactly like what God said, all others are false they changed God's words, what God never changed, and is not changeable