Who Believes in the Devil? (Page 53)

ghostgeek: Asherah is definitely God's missus, and the sprogs of the union married human women.

Billie Ingle: Don't confuse Asherah with Astaroth because Asherah is Gods wife and Astaroth the Queen of Hell. Asherah is Queen of Heaven so don't confuse both because I saw they dare to call Asherah also Astaroth or Astarte but each is a different goddess

Evelyn99: I didn’t do it!!!

Zanjan: Yeah, Ghost, get your historical fables correct!

Billie Ingle: Asherah is Goddes of The World and Astaroth the Goddess of The Underworld

Zanjan: The stuttering of a stuck record.
The somniferous splitting of a sudden disconnect with reality.
The repetitious soliloquy from a mynah's syrinx


Where would we be without background noise?

Vanellion: Asherah in ancient Semitic religion is a mother goddess who appears in a number of ancient sources. She appears in Akkadian writing.

Astaroth is a very ancient Goddess. She has been with humanity, as have Satan and Beelzebub, since the beginning. Astaroth is Satan's daughter.

She has always been very popular, much loved and revered in locales where she was worshipped. Because she has been with us since the beginning, she has been known by several different names, as she has been the Chief Goddess in many different areas and cultures. She has been known as a Goddess of fertility, love, and war.

Her sacred city was Uruk, one of the oldest cities of Sumer where she had her temple. Under her rule, the people of Sumer and their communities prospered and thrived. She had shrines and temples in many cities in the Ancient Middle East.

And now the best is coming.

Her Sumerian title "Queen of Heaven" was stolen by Christians and used for their fictitious "Virgin Mary" which is an imposter.

Astaroth was also the Babylonian Goddess, Ishtar. Babylonian scriptures called her the "Light of the World," "Goddess of Goddesses," and "Bestower of Strength."

The "Ishtar Gate," built approximately 575 BCE was the main entrance into Babylon. It was the eighth of one of eight gates of the inner city. King Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon dedicated the Gate to Ishtar. It was one of the most impressive monuments in the ancient Near East. The Ishtar Gate was decorated with dragons, bulls, and lions. Along with Ea [Satan] and Enlil [Beelzebub], she wound up in the grimoires when Judeo/Christianity arrived on the scene as one of the top Crowned Princes of Hell. These three were the most popular and well-known deities in the Middle East. Their reputations were destroyed; they were viciously slandered, blasphemed, and demonized; labeled as "evil."

Astaroth answers truly concerning the past, present, and future She discovers all secrets, and is an excellent teacher of the liberal sciences. She causes one to have prophetic dreams and/or visions about the future and gives insight into the unknown. She also counsels humans who are close to Satan and actively working for him. She obtains the friendship of those in power and represents luxury and ease.

Easter [originally known as "Ashtar"] was stolen from her by the Christians.

So you see Satanism was there before which religion ever came, is it such a lie that Satan exist or do we just deny it. 575 Before Christ's Era so it was so long before Christ's birth they speak of Satan and all Demons.

duncan124:

That's an interesting and well researched post Chrissy.

But I wonder how they found these gods. And how they followed their Gods. The Christian ideas of Churches, Temples and how to worship or pray are much later ideas.

Streets and Roads in Beruit and Baghdad still have the names of these Gods perhaps indicating that they had a definite character and location.

"Here we come now on a dark star, / Seeing demons, not what we are." Is a Christian idea that seems to refer to raiders or zealots. And how history has been allowed by the Europeans.

Something else I remember from Egypt is that Ea had a loud sound, something like a hard rock hitting another in the air above you.

Vanellion: I bet that Satanism is the oldest religion together with paganism, later Jesus and Crusades fought to spread Christianity. How Satan is the oldest and most known god idk but they speak a lot of him in the Ancient times and many years before the birth of Christ. Egypt too with Anubis, Ra, Obelisk all are gods but dark themed ones

Zanjan: The religion of God came first, along with it's temples. Over time, these descended into paganism; temples crumbled as faith transformed into mere philosophy.

Essentially, all cults and folk religions were nothing but a few thoughts taken from divine religion while discarding the rest (usually, the rules) - people reject 100% change, they can only accept subtle increments of degradation.

When stuff gets old, humans try to patch the worn out areas, using threads that don't match; when it gets moldy, they dust it off and re-design it with a new brand to suit themselves.

Naturally, it's not nearly as good as the original and falls apart altogether. The addition of a new god (because it's blameless) may temporarily revitalize it but it's still doomed to become myth.

Pagan and folk religions are always displaced by a new religion of God.

duncan124:
I disagree Chrissy. Satanism has gained strength with Christianity. In fact I am sure the ancient Gods were stronger on the ground than Satanisms are today.

If you had a satanic activity going on and could conjure something from the past then that would drive the satanic activity away for a while.

But even the Bible predicted that Satan will win the Earth.

Vanellion: Lilith, Astarte, Satan they were many years before Christ was born so which was first Christianity seriously

duncan124:

The Ancient Romans, the Greeks, the Chinese were all here thousands of years before the events in the Bible.

If Satan is as he is described in the Bible then he must have been at his work for many years.

Leda Muir: What if God is a creation of Satan that went wrong Satanism goes back for Millennia while in that time never was speaking about a guy called god. Satan never sent a prophet to Earth so how do they know he exists he probably had visited Earth. God had so-called prophets and why did he never visited earth if he is real because there is probably no god but only Satan and it can be we made it a dark creation because they said he is a person with horns

Zanjan: One can't build their life on "what ifs'.

One should have an open mind - not let everything fall out of it at once.

Sage of Bryan: I think Satan was an experiment gone wrong by the sons of God, who were flesh and blood humans that lived on this earth some millions of years before Adam. The sons of God in Gen.6 and Job 38 were not angels. Angels cannot marry nor reproduce.

Zanjan: There is no evidence of religion before Adam - He was the first Revelator ever mentioned in the history of humanity. We don't know when that was; however, God's religions and calendars are closely connected so we can make a physical link, knowing that Adam couldn't have lived *after* a certain period. God's Revelators always build a new civilization.

The world's oldest "calendar" ( a year tracker) was a Mesolithic arrangement of 12 pits and an arc aprox 10,000 years old. We're willing to accept a structure built 12,000 years ago was a temple - even before agriculture was invented, it was the irrefutable mark of a civilization.

The ancients used "generations" to mark significant progress through time. In religion, a "generation" can take on a double meaning, as in the generation (creation) of a dispensation by a Revelator.

Sage of Bryan: Forgive me, but I haven't a clue of what you just wrote about. I said nothing about religion. When I wrote about "sons of God" "angels" "Genesis" or "Job" I was speaking about the only real history book we have of mankind. I wasn't be religious.

The sons of God were created before there was an earth. That is why they shouted for joy in Job.38: God created the earth for them. I'm speaking about history not religion.

Zanjan: You wrote: " the sons of God, who were flesh and blood humans that lived on this earth some millions of years before Adam."

There is no evidence of that. The oldest hominin remains date to 2.8 million years old. It didn't have parts of the brain necessary for intellectual development and no physical apparatus permitting it to utter words. (no spoken language, no knowledge of God, no religion).

Modern human brain size (development of neocortex, responsible for symbolic communication) wasn't reached until 500,000 years ago. Sacred truths have to be stated so, religion couldn't predate the appearance of spoken language. Interestingly, the ability to communicate by words appears before the ability to ask questions.

The oldest Homo Sapiens fossil discovered is only 300,000 years old. Like the preceding races, they didn't create anything that stood the test of time, except chipped flakes of stone for tools and arrowheads. They relied on an instinctive social order, focused on physical survival.

Early modern humans looked like us, albeit more robust, yet didn't have the complete suite of modern human behaviours; they were still in the process of developing them. Thus, no civilization. We know where they came from - none of them were identifiable by name or title. Scientists named them.

The Bible is speaking of religious dynamics because it's a book about spiritual reality - not about geology or anthropology. In religious terms, "earth" doesn't mean planet. The literary usage is a metaphor - that is, as a teaching aid. Still is.

Sage of Bryan: How greatly you err Zan. When man writes a book, history, science, or on the cosmos, he has an agenda. You cannot trust all books written by men. Christ claims that God's word is truth. People either believe it or they don't. Their choice.

Apparently you have chosen not to believe the word of God. You are not going to change i'm sure, and you cannot convince me otherwise. Thus ends our conversation. May God bless you and in time open your eyes to the knowledge of His word. Until then, I say good bye.

Zanjan: Strange how you got all that from my last post.

Leda Muir: It was also recognized in ancient Christianity, that there are two distinct accounts for the creation of man. The first account says "male and female [God] created them", implying simultaneous creation, whereas the second account states that God created Eve subsequent to the creation of Adam. Genesis VIII:1 reconciled the two by stating that Genesis one, "male and female He created them", indicates that God originally created Adam as a hermaphrodite, bodily and spiritually both male and female, before creating the separate beings of Adam and Eve. Other Priests suggested that Eve and the woman of the first account were two separate individuals, the first being identified as Lilith, a figure elsewhere described as a night demon.

duncan124:

If Satan had been here all along then he did n't do so much and was far weaker before modern times.

Apart from modern times only in the dark ages could there have been a strong Satanism in Europe, and the rest of the world hasn't mentioned him much.

Leda Muir: Be honest Satan did a lot If it is true about Lilith he tempted her to be a Demon, he had a big influence on many so weak isn't he

Sage of Bryan: duncan, Satan is only as powerful as God allows him to be. In Job.1:12. God allows him to take all that Job has, but he is not allowed to touch Job. In Job.2:6. God allows Satan to touch Job but Satan must spare Job's life.

Not sure what you mean Zan, by how I got all that from your post...?.