Why are we cruel?

DrDrifter
DrDrifter: Every chance we get we want to hurt someone. The opposite makes so much more sense.
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calybonos
calybonos: I withdraw my previous comment, in an attempt to disassociate myself from the silliness that is to follow.....
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: It's our nature ..We're all born sinners ,We never have to teach a child to lie.. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Zanjan
Zanjan: We still have to teach a child what a lie is, and what stealing is etc.

A child is born innocent, pure as the driven snow because that innocence is from a lack of knowledge. Children can be cruel because they are unaware. When they're kind, it's because they are aware.

On the other hand, adults know; they can be either kind or cruel for deliberate reasons. Many adults behave like children because they have no boundaries; these are slow to learn their own limitations and those of others.

As the child grows and gains more experience with the world, he becomes corrupted. The only way an adult can become innocent again is through a very extensive knowledge and understanding of spiritual principles, which he practices.








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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: You have teach A Child not to sin ..From Adam we are all born with sinful Nature ,That we must fight to over come all the days of our life..

PSALMS

51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: ....SINE means esse to be.....

then a person has to be taught codes of conduct that they willfully break in order ta become a sinner...

folks for some odd reasoning appear to never pay any attention ta.. GOD watched as Satan became increasingly jealous and malicious towards Himself and Jesus...

Satan flipped the switch he did over Jesus getting to leave the THRONE ROOM with GOD and enter a ROOM that Satan was invited into..
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "You have teach A Child not to sin .."

A child is too young to know sin.......he's just learning and doesn't even know what soul is yet. The worst a child can do is make a mistake through lack of awareness.You don't guide a child by the dark.

One teaches the child about God first, teach him how to recognize divine attributes so he knows what he must emulate. This isn't a code of conduct - this is teaching the child to love true beauty.

Not until he can recognize and understand those qualities will he be capable of rejecting them - that's what a sin is.


Behold, his MOTHER sinned, bringing him up in a bad environment! Time for you to come up to speed with the present. When you become a mother, maybe you'll understand.


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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: I hate sin ..Yet : the first thing ',We all think of doing is sin first ? Why is it not opposite first ? n' love first ..?.Because; from birth we all Have a sinful nature
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "the first thing ',We a think of doing is sin first "

Who says? Oh my, that's you, Blackshoes? You're in worse shape than you ought to be for one who quotes so much.

"Why is it not opposite "

It IS the opposite - the reason you can't see that is your belief about sin is wrong.

Unless one has FASD (acts on impulse), one has to work out the reason for doing the wrong.

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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Well according to everyone I've meet to date sin is always present
Are these not your words ?
( I'd have given anything to zap my free will out of existence because it always got me into trouble, like a monkey on my back. This was not to be......just way too easy. You see, then I'd be like the animal, unable to appreciate the Beauty of God on my own, unable to express my willingness to prove myself, unable to discover mysteries, and finally, unable to appreciate the exhilarating glory of victory over self. I'd never be a Spiritual Olympian. )

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Zanjan
Zanjan: Just a suggestion - when quoting others, please use quotation marks to indicate a reference - it's the righteous thing to do.


You need to hang out in better circles, Blackshoes. Do you always adopt what others say? I think not, since I've just explained how sin works and you refuse to accept that.

Free Will is not sin - wronging your own soul is. We can choose not to abuse Free Will. God didn't bestow sin.

God doesn't interfere with Free Will, His own gift to mankind.







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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Zanjan:I do my best to give imformation that will support the facts.My opinions are just my opinions and just opinions ? Are you suggesting that you;re not a good circle to hang with ?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: No, it's this statement of yours:

"Well according to everyone I've meet to date sin is always present"

You're going by the view of a bunch of people instead of seeing things through your own eyes. Heck, you didn't even cite a majority. One wonders how small your world is when everyone sees things exactly the same? Have you met me? You know I'm not saying that.

Everyone knows Christians are terribly divided on so many things; this leaves you influenced by a small congregation of one sect of Christianity.

Sin isn't present as a disembodied entity. If sin were always present in an individual, that individual is evil. The whole point of salvation is to SAVE YOU from sinning. If you've got sin, you aint saved, buddy.

For what its worth, I wouldn't be interested in a Prophet who was powerless to save me. That doesn't imply the personage is a false Prophet - it means he's not the Lord of the Age.

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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Zanjan: You assume that I've only spoken too a few ? I have not nor can speak for the Majority Can You? You disagree that all are born with a sinful nature ? Seeing mankinds nature all around us '.What makes you feel that way ?
1 John

1:1. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

62-1:2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1:3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1:4. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

1:5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1:6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1:7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1:8. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1:9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1:10. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

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Zanjan
Zanjan: You claimed all the people you've met say sin is present. Who do they say sin is present in?

I've met hundreds of people personally, and indirectly, in whom I see no sin. Not saying it couldn't show up sometime, just saying I've not found any evidence of them sinning during the time I knew them, or read about them.

Yes, I totally disagree that all are born with sin - that's a total crock of BS, to put it mildly.

"What makes you feel that way ? "

It's not a feeling - it's the understanding of sin, combined with my own observation skills. I've explained how that is to you already. Yet you cannot explain you own position.

Babies and children are not adults. All adults are responsible for their own lives - they've heard the Word of God and have been given an opportunity to respond appropriately. Man doesn't have one nature - he has two of them.

If a Prophet can't see this reality, he's a fake.






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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Then we differ on what you and I consider sin..Just to entertain a evil thought is sin ..
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Zanjan
Zanjan: You're dead wrong on that too; there's no justification for your position.

Perhaps you should try getting saved again - it will require you to think on the Word of God for yourself. Let God answer you, not the people you know. If you find truth, you'll be able to prove it. Come back and show me your proof without using any thing from scripture.

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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Really ..all actions begin with a thought ..It's not important what I think .All that's important is truth ,,
You claim to be without sin ? You claim to think forself .You claim I do not? You ClaimI need to be saved ? Because: I accept the wisdom of others that walk with God ..
You show me something other than your opinion.or the opinions of others like you?
Show within the Bible that I've made mistake ???
This isn't about me.Or you
You've told me to get saved ..I assume you mean saved from death n' HeLL
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Zanjan
Zanjan: No - I meant saved from sinning. After all, you've just said you're full of sin and so is everybody else.

I used to sin - I was the wildest most frequent sinner around - a bad girl in anybody's books. I know what it is first hand so I have something with which to compare.

One day, I reached out to God for guidance and He guided me to my Best Beloved, the Lord of the Age. Yes, there were tests but I was determined to pass every on e of them, do or die. I turned my back to the world and stepped into the Kingdom of God, where He taught me, healed me, and I grew into what He wanted me to be. I was like a rosebud that unfurled and opened into full bloom, able to do things I never knew I could do. Everyone saw this!

I became changed into that which I never was before and I've never looked back.

Not saying that transformation didn't look a bit awkward at first, or that I didn't make any mistakes while I was learning, but I never fell back because I trusted in God, and kept moving nearer and nearer to Him.

No, I have no sin now - I don't do anything I used to do back then. I have no such temptations to do anything that would displease God. If I ever have a moment where I'm tired or annoyed, sad or in despair of others, I just call on God and the sun shines right now, He immediately lifts me up out of that funk. I don't wait for God to come to me, I get up and go walk with HIM.

That is salvation, and it shall be salvation as long as I want it to be. I can tell you that since I've known and lived in both worlds, I can make an easy choice - you never go back to garbage once you've tasted the sweetest fruit in existence.

Those who've been brought up in a good, religious home and became religious themselves, wouldn't see much difference or note the 'salvation' thing because they were never unhealthy to begin with. Yet they shall have their own tests.

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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: You haven't answered My Question..You judged that I need to be saved ? I what to know from what ? Sin, Death n' Hell as spoken by Jesus ? or from something else?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I answered it. Re-read. Attempting to spoon scripted colloquialisms into my mouth doesn't work on me.

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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Are you afraid to say it ??I can only assume that you are ? It's not my place to judge you ..What do i need to be saved from SIN ?What can sin do??.Sin separates us from God ..Sin sends us too HELL without a savior
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Now you're not making any sense at all. I don't care to repeat myself - if God has not put it in your heart to understand, then I support His decision.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: No - I meant saved from sinning. After all, you've just said you're full of sin.
I never said I was full of sin..You claim that Jesus came suffer n' died just to save me from sin ?
If there is no Hell..? or life after death why would God put Jesus through all that ?

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Zanjan
Zanjan: Try to use quotation marks when quoting somebody else. I never claimed anything about Jesus. You've been the one to do that. I'm not Christian.

Yes, there is hell and heaven - they're states of mind. Yes, there is a hereafter for everyone - all souls continue to exist after physical death of the body. There's also life after death but it's not the same life for all people after death. I know this because I've been there and back - not because somebody said so.
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