PART II -Has God permanently rejected Israel? Are Gentiles Chosen people? (Page 5)

Cenababy
Cenababy: what are you talking about? Jesus body coming back? Of course it can't, the flesh dies, but that doesn't mean HE can't come back! That is ridiculous! Jesus is the Word in the Bible, I don't care who says what, I am speaking from God's Word, the Bible, for and about Christians, if you are not one, you won't understand!

Jesus is Lord and the light of men, I gave you scriptures and you come back with this?

I am not commenting to this again, believe what you want, both of you. Your path is not of Christian faith, so, I cannot have this discussion.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Fact: Since the acceptance of monotheism, no group of people became confused about the relationship between God and the Prophets except for old style Hindus and some modern Christians.

The Jews never did, the North American Indians never did, the Muslims never did, and neither have the Baha'is. Across the board, they all agree on this point and are able to discern the difference between a Manifestation of God and a man. To my view, the early Christians agreed with this as well, realizing that "the Word made Flesh" is a figure of speech.

That leaves modern Christian groups agreeing with nobody, not even themselves.

Cena, what denomination are you?

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Cenababy
Cenababy: Zan, most christians do not believe that Jesus was a prophet, so what are you dwelling on? I am not sure what you are trying to say.

Jesus to Christians, is the Lord, The Word made Flesh, it is not a figure of speech, if you look at John 1, or in Romans, or Colossians, or Ephesians, or 1 John, God is/was Triune, and Jesus is very much God. So I don't get you. And yes, he was here, in the flesh so he could walk with us and do what needed to be done for salvation.

I am protestant, and all protestants here and non denoms, agree with me! So what are you trying to say?
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chayim
chayim: silly, god does not need (according to your false belief) to save anyone to go in flesh and blood, anyone to be saved is only by doing what god wants you to do, and not doing what he does not want you to do, and if you did any sin the way is it should hurt you and you should leave it and ask god to forgive you, and this way is full in the whole tanach, god did not rule till your false son belief to forgive, till jesus from the creation was about 3,760 years, most of the generations, now we are by 5774 years
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Cena, saying you're Protestant merely tells us you don't believe in the Pope. In the Protestant division are countless sects; I asked which one, not what you believe....and no, they don't all agree - that's why they split up.

Denominations cluster-think on major points and laws, and some are so opposed to others it seems they're reading different Books. I appreciate that you're trying to speak for all Christians but that's impossible.

I'm curious as to why you're afraid to say which denomination you are.



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chayim
chayim: http://books.google.co.il/books?id=8O5x8sSAx4MC&printsec=frontcover
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Zanjan
Zanjan: It is said that sheep become lost by nibbling away at the grass without once looking up.
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Rederella
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Chayi, first of all that's why there are Jews, Christians and Messianic Jews, there is a difference. You go by the OT only! Jesus changed things, you DO NOT get to heaven by Moses Laws, you get to heaven by the belief and faith in Jesus. Grace is what gets us to heaven, you will never agree with this or understand because you are of the Old Jew!
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Zan I am not afraid of anything, Most Christians here believe in the same idiology, they may have different ways they tell it or different rituals, but we go by the bible. And you are wrong, most Protestant religions believe in most of the same things! I visit different churches, (the sects you speak of that tell it differently are like the (Assembly of God and Pentacostal people) they have a very different way, but Lutheran, Presb, So Baptist, Baptist, Methodist, , etc, are pretty much on the same wave length. Now, if we are talking, strict bible teachings, well, I would have to say So. Baptist are the ones that go by scripture the most, but we all have several things in common JESUS and the only way to get to Heaven is through HIS GRACE, you ask any protestant, how do you get to heaven, they will tell you, Through JESUS.

Now having said all of that, when I do attend church (because I am not "a religion", I am a christian and follow Christ) I will attend So. Baptist and Lutheran churches.

I hope this clears it up for you.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: And let me be clear, Catholics are christian, but they do things that are totally against the bible, this is why the split between Protestants and Catholics! As far as Protestants are concerened, I am one because of the bible and the beliefs that we have. As far as the (off Sects) I do not listen to them, I do not view things like they do, and I do not believe in the way they teach, practice, discern etc, such as, the JWS, THE MORMONS, etc. they to me, believe the way they believe, and do not go by THE BIBLE as Prostestants do.

and that's a whole nother soap opera, which I will not get in to!
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Zanjan
Zanjan: @Rederella - it's not an allegory, it's a simile. Too bad you missed the self explanatory part.

Cena, you say you visit different churches - that sounds like you're a member of none. Maybe one day you'll make up your mind and contribute to a religious community as your home.

I think you need a religious family to help you out because it's a little tiresome to hear you go on about how ONLY Christians can get to heaven. There's no requirement to become a Christian in order to believe in Jesus. Fact, many people who do believe in Him belong to a different religion.

As for your sorting methods, you aren't God and you certainly don't have the wherewithal to judge the souls of others. You have absolutely no clue who's going where.

In my experience, practicing Christians aren't offended by the truth. Neither am I. Then surely you wont mind when I say that publicly exalting yourself above others is the most un-Christian thing there is next to murder. This is why you have to hope for heaven instead of having it now.

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Cenababy
Cenababy: well Zan, I am sorry you feel that way, I merely share my beliefs, that IS NOT putting myself above anyone, if you are offended, that is not my responsibility. I merely share a christian perspective. I can only go by my beliefs, not yours or anyone else's, that's the point of faith. Christian Faith is different, we only have grace through Jesus. Some believe in him, but according to the bible that is not "how you get to heaven", that is speaking from a christian belief system. If you or others do not share that, that is your right! I have never tried to bash other religions or faiths, I am friends with several different, and I think if you knew me, you would know I have a huge heart. Did you know there are even certain parts of revelation I do not read because it upsets me too much? I guess you didn't because you do not know me, and have never spoken to me in rooms, only here.

And as for the above, that was pretty offensive, I try to not be offensive, I stick to my beliefs, and have always stated that. If you are not christian, then maybe you do get offended, but that is not the intent here!

And, I never claimed to be God, ofcourse not, but if we go by the NT, it is clear on who is a child of Jesus and who isn't. I wish the whole world was, I hate the thought of anyone not being....hence why I stated the above about revelation!!! It makes me sick to think of the actual what happens. Guess you will never understand how I feel, you are not me, and again, as for me being miss big pants, I am not, and never claimed to be, and I haven't gotten nearly as offensive as you just were, imo ALSO, the reason I go to two different churches is that when I was young I went to Lutheran church (and there is a story there as to why, I still like to visit, maybe someday I will share that story), and since becoming an adult, I have mostly attended Southern Baptist....So, I have picked one!
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chayim
chayim: cena is only built on faith, now there are many faiths, who told you that your faith is the true one, but i am built on facts, the jewish way is built on completely pure facts
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Cena, I haven't taken offense at the truth or at lies either. Offense isn't productive.

After claiming that you’re amongst the chosen ones of God and no one can take your salvation away (as opposed to the damned because they’re not true Christians, list provided), you've been very clear about your exclusivity. You even told Chayi he had to accept Jesus NOW or it would be too late when Jesus returned.

Why are you telling him this when you said salvation can only be by the grace of Jesus and not deeds? Leave it to Jesus if you believe grace is the only way one can get to heaven.

Personally, I think there’s a whole lot of criteria required to get to heaven and it doesn't belong to Christians alone.

"Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall see the kingdom of God" (Jesus)



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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: people arguing with Xanjan is like breathing water, it makes no sense to try especially when she claims that Buddah is a biblical Prophet, as well as Krishna which in my mind renders anything she says as pooh pooh
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Jesus is DEAD people, in fact there is little to no proof that he ever even was alive except for what some ancient prophets wrote after wandering in the wilderness and eating mushrooms claims to have seen, and just for Xanjans benefit these ancient prophets were not Krishna, Buddah, Muhammad, the Bab, or Bauallah, and actually not even Abraham unless you just want to infer that out of your own delusional need.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Xanjan you need to get your facts straight Jews, Muslims and Christians are not the same they are different and Jesus is not the savior of everyone, or for that matter anyone. and you should respect the rights of others to not agree with you, instead of acting like you have some God given right to sit in judgement not only of Atheists but other religions as well.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Xanjan unlike you I for one have read the Bible, and it clearly states that the Jews were the original creation of God and all others evolved from them, God says in the Bible to the Jews in fact that they should not worship other Gods, why would God say that and then send Jesus to F--- it all up.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: God wants to confuse you, Bahcatha. Obviously, He was successful.

You probably shouldn't read books that don't make sense to you.



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chayim
chayim: the truth is that only judaism is the truth, pure natural truth, in the highest level, and not mixed with any false, all others are or totally false, or stolen from judaism and twisted and mixed and falsed the truth with evil, the torah and tanach and midrash talmid kabala is the root of the truth
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I was reading today about Moses making a bronze snake on a pole (Moses had said if they looked at that, they wouldn't die)

I was thinking the visual reminder is similar to the scapegoat, except there's a small difference.

Someone - I think it was Hezekiah - destroyed the snake pole because the Jews had been burning incense and worshiping it for hundreds of years. Whereas, the scapegoat hasn't been destroyed - many people still use the idea, although they don't realize who started it and don't use live goats.



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chayim
chayim: the snake on the pole that moses made was not any power in it, the reason of what he said that who ever will look on it will not die was that he believed that not the bite of the snake kills, its only sin is what kills, thats why he made a snake that you will see that even if you look on the snake if you believe that everything is only by god then you will survive, but after along time in the time of king chezkiah they start worshipng it and as if it had any power so thats why chezkiah destroyed it
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I'm sure there's a lot of other things like that we don't need anymore - you know, like the shofar, church bells, and the Muzzeins call.

I mean, we still like to hear them sometimes but we moderns know which day of the week it is now and adults don't need to be told when to do things. Well, some still might -there are still supports in place for those.

While traditions may be appreciated in recognition of a place one came from, we were all meant to let go of them because, when the time is right, they'll be replaced with others. So, it doesn't make sense to be sad when these things pass into antiquity - we'll have something better and more practical, like radio alarm clocks and newspapers.

Like the above, if God had rejected Israel, it wouldn't still exist.



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chayim
chayim: god never rejected israel, he only punnishes them to forgive their sin
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