PART II -Has God permanently rejected Israel? Are Gentiles Chosen people? (Page 4)

chayim
chayim: you talk about jesus as if you knew him, who gave jesus the state of a prophet, not any one, only he himself, all the jews in his time knew him personal, but you by stories written by his followers, who stated that he was born by mirical, no one, only his folowers, but moses and all jewish prophets were clearly stated by there words and holy behaveure, jesus was not born by a mirical, his mother was married, and was not virgin, jesus was born by cheated sex, and he coverd it by this terrible lie
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chayim
chayim: it says that mashiach will be from the seed of david by his fathers side, and according to this lie that god was his father he was not from the seed of david from his father
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Bahcatha:" i have developed my own by reading the bible and choking"....

That much is indubitably clear. Why don't you try choking on the Quran and make a list of all those occasions too?

chayi: "he was not from the seed of david from his father "

Start with Mary - she was, so you'd have to prove Jesus wasn't her child. Joseph was also of that lineage but he wasn't involved. However, there were so many Jews of that lineage, the population was dense with David's genes at the time - it would be nearly impossible to miss.

Go back further in the lineage if you want some excitement. If you really want to risk being thrilled and shocked, follow Abraham's lineage up to modern times.

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chayim
chayim: who knows the truth about jesus, the talmid or the bible ? why should the talmid lie if he was holy and mashiach ? why didn't we reject moses and all other prophets ? are we plain crazy, or the few fools of jesus that foold around with jesus, please
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Cenababy
Cenababy: CHAYI, your hate against Jesus is discusting, and you lie about him all the time!!! You do not know how to read or interpret the bible, you do not have the perspective or perception to follow it. GET OFF MY BLOGS WITH YOUR LIES
1) Mary WAS NOT MARRIED and was a virgin
2) Jesus in the flesh was the lineage of Davids seed, but that is NOT what is meant by it
3) Jesus IS GOD in the flesh for your information
4) Moses was a prophet who even spoke of Jesus in the OT

You want to learn the bible that is fine, but you will never understand it or believe in it as a Christian does. After the blog you posted which I copied to my profile, I don't even want to talk to you YOU ARE A LIAR and SPEW HATE ON "MY LORD"
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chayim
chayim: i know exactly what christians believe, and i know exactly what the truth is, don't get an heart attack when the truth will discover
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chayim
chayim: no, moses did not mention jesus, and any mashiach at all, in the torah there is no mentioning at all about any mashiach, only in tanach
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Zanjan I do not care to choke on anything else the bible is by far stupid enough all by itself. plus i have no need to learn any other religions beliefs because unlike Christians they keep their beliefs to themselves, i do not know a single Jew or Muslim who walks around carrying their cross (symbolically) that is.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: mountain, no Moses did not make any mention of Jesus, except what Christians wish to infer, Moses did write the 1st five books of the bible and not only made a complete mess of it, but made God sound pretty pathetic, God had to make light twice, he also made a promise to the Jews to restore them to Canaan, but could not, or was not able to keep his promise (for whatever reason God lied and made promises he was not able to keep) I thought all things were possible for God " apparently not," so instead he just killed them, and the fact that people in iron chariots are able to defeat God in battle, what kind of God cannot defeat his own creation? God takes part in and, or condones the very acts he himself calls abominations, the list goes on and on. point being a God who cannot keep his promise to his own people who he claims to love and has created to be a special people over all other people on the face of the earth will not keep any promise to anyone else either, Hey Zanjan perhaps you have a point I should read other Religions manuscripts because Christianity is obviously hog dodo.
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chayim
chayim: bachatha, totally nonsense, there is nothing in the existance out of god, everything is from god, we jews are returning and will return to israel, and soon mashaich will come, moses wrote the five books of the torah, jesus is not the mashiach, and was not a prophet at all
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Chayi: "who knows the truth about jesus,"

Your key word is "Who", not what. If you mean WHO, then God knows.

According to the Bible, if you love God, God will enlighten you with the truth. There's nothing in any record of Jesus's life and Words that leads anyone to believe He didn't love God. I think if He was a bad guy, civilian history would definitely have mentioned His nasties a lot.

Does the Talmud mention John the Baptist?

"why didn't we reject moses and all other prophets?"

Well, that's gotta be because of your blood component - you posses the genes, right? After all, I haven't rejected Moses or all other Prophets either......explain why I'm not Jewish. Is it because of my genetic map?

All truth has been revealed. The reason the Jews have no more Prophets (not for 2,500 years) is because they've been holding out for the BIG ONE. That's why they have a calendar of their own. Yes, they'll accept the BIG ONE - THEIR Messiah, and we'll all be hearing about it. Apparently, the secret is patience, rather than love.



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Zanjan
Zanjan: " Prophets and messiahs should be irrelevant in our modern day"

Are you saying there are no folks at all who would like to help themselves but don't know how? I mean, no folks exist today that can't help themselves? That's a pretty strong belief you have there.

Judging from the rising suicide and divorce statistics, it would seem they could have used a Saviour. Apparently, there's a lot of people making money predicting the future - people want that; some can't get through the day without it, even if it's horribly wrong - like weather reports.

If you lived close to the sea, wouldn't you depend on knowing, well in advance, if a Tsunami or hurricane were coming? Now, what would you likely do with that information? Would you just sit there and wait for God to protect you? Would you stay put to protect your own stuff? Or, would you run like hell for safe haven?

If you chose the latter, you'd have to guess right where the safe haven is - some have made fatal mistakes because they didn't get that information in advance. I think they could have used a Messiah.





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chayim
chayim: the talmid only mentions jesus

if jesus was so great, he was jewish like us, and we are waiting for mashiach even then, why should we reject him

the understanding of the fact is; jesus was not excepted by any true and liable jew, the talmid was written near his time, we jews knew everything of jesus, he was jewish like us, he grew up with us, he was born with us, we knew how he was born, all his followers began from his sayings and magic that was a fact in that time, magic are not miricals, miricals are from god, from his holy spirit, magic is from the evil powers, from ghosts and and satan and demons, the torah forbbided to do magic because you get unclean and unholy soul and spirit, he began to gather low life style jews with majic and unholy love, he laughed at the commandments of god in his torah, he said its not necesery to do commandments, only love and enjoy everything you want, his people were sexing 10 men 1 woman because of love, evil sin dirty love, and he gatherd people of people with low life style, all healthy millions of jews were not mistaking to him, he was born by his mother that cheated, because her husband was very strict to her, he didn't let her out of her house, so when one time when he left his house for a longer time she sexed someone, and jesus was born from that sex, and jesus had that bad nature of sined sexuality, when he grew up he was attractive on woman, his personality was lust, he was unholy, he worshiped unholy spirits of sexual sin, you can see that all christians are undressed and go arround sexy and raping because of their sexual spirit and they call it love, sexuality lust is not love, lust is unholy and sin, all christins are unholy, they are totally sexy lusty and half naked in street and in house totally naked, thy do all sexy sin, even girls and boys, and go look at all their magazines and websites and webcams of girls and boys with all sexuality sin, they don;t keep any of god commandments to be holy, they only preach love that with unholy lusty love, this is jesus's spirit, but the jewish spirit is holy clean love, the bible was not written by jesus, it was written by his followers that mistaken in him and they mixed the torah and tanach and some talmid together with some sayings of jesus and his followers, most sayings in the name of jesus is not his sayings at all, it is his followers sayings on his name, his followers took all ther sayings build on the torarh and tanach and some talmid and twisted and mixed with their false believes in jesus, now you know a little why he was killed, but it is a lot more to say
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chayim
chayim: the reason why we don't have a prophet so long is;

because we are suffering our souls and spirits should be totally clean and holy kind, and forgiven from all sin and the original sin, and then the minute will come and we will rise up forever
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Zanjan
Zanjan: People everywhere write garbage and lies about pretty much anything that comes to them by hearsay. Many people believe it. You can't verify anything. Nevertheless, there's one way to know who and what was right:

No man can undo what God hath wrought, and nothing can come in to existence without His good pleasure.

" jesus was not excepted by any true and liable jew,"

Records state many Jews accepted Him, those whom other Jews had respected. True and reliable Jews KEEP the Covenant; and, as promised by God, when they do that, He gives them power to overcome any battle.

The world has seen the Jews of the day were powerless to overcome Christianity and its followers - this is proof none of them kept the Covenant except those who became Christian. They were also powerless to overcome the Muslims.

Were the Jews audacious teachers? Nope, they kept their religion to themselves. I've never seen one knocking on my door, saying "Have you heard the news of Moses? Just sign here, we only have 10 commandments - how hard is that to remember and do?"

Do they even advertise on TV, have open houses and arrange public gatherings to hear the Word and invite people to become Jews? Maybe they're not stingy, maybe they've just let the Christians do all the spreading - less effort. With such introverted people, who have no desire to spread their faith, it's a dying religion.

But you know what? When they finally accept a Messiah, they will rise and people will be amazed at what this Messiah could do that no other before Him did. That's gonna get attention and people, especially atheists, will ask a LOT of questions. Think how modern Jews, so much better than the ancients (in God's estimation) could turn this whole thing around!

You realize of course, their Messiah will give them a new name - firstly, because He has a new name, Himself, and secondly, they'll be a new people with new strengths, deserving of new glory and a name to crown that achievement. Something to celebrate, yes? Surely you must be looking forward to that, praying fervently for it?


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chayim
chayim: right

the real mashiach will come once and forever, it says in the torah that god will return to us in the last days of the generations, when our heart will be looking and want god with our whole heart, after suffering so much to forgive all sin, and to deserve his glory and peace and kindness

judaism did never die, its only not spread to convert others, but there is a high rational convertness to judaism in todays time, we jews over came all tragadies, all nations, even in our state of suffering, we last from moses's time till now

it says in tanach that by the end the whole world will be jewish by mashiach when he will come
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Chayi, you have some strange ideas for sure. As I posted and as Zan has posted, things about Jesus and about the Jews and you still do not get it.

Here is my take on the situation, yes, we are all Jew through Christ blood, "the olive branch" if you will. IT WILL BE TOO LATE WHEN HE RETURNS CHAYI, you have to accept him NOW! Jesus will return on the clouds and all of those that have rejected him will be destroyed.

And yes, the Jews do keep to themselves. Christians are the believers that all should come to the Lord, the Jews "especially here" do not care. If you are not Jew to them, they do not bother with you! Also, to be a Jew you must denounce Christ, period. Christians WILL NEVER DENOUNCE THEIR LORD.

If people were too blind and stupid to receive him the first time, they are too stupid and blind to believe in him now, and when he returns he will take his believers and destroy the rest. Such a sad sad day this will be! All will bow to him, and all those left behind will scream out and cry!

Jesus said in Romans: "I swear by my very life that everyone will kneel down and praise my name!" And so each of us must give an account to God for what we do. amen
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chayim
chayim: but when the real true mashiach will come and you will see that i was correct then you will treat me like a diamond and a crown !!!!!
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "it says in tanach that by the end the whole world will be jewish by mashiach when he will come"

Just as I'd expect any Christian to quote scripture for verification, I expect the same from you. Citing please.

"Also, to be a Jew you must denounce Christ,"

And all other Prophets God has sent and will send in the future.

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Cenababy
Cenababy: I totally disagree with that. He will never send anyone other than Jesus, Jesus is the Lord of the Alive and dead, just as he has been forever, amen.

To be Christian and believe in Jesus words, this is how you believe. If you have a mere prophet, you are not Christian in the eyes of the bible.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Jesus's body decomposed long ago. It can't come back due to God's laws of physics. God doesn't break His own laws.

When God sends a Promised One, which He always does, that Personage always has a new name and a different physical body. Don't get the person of Jesus mixed up with the station of the Christ (Anointed One). God has always guided mankind through His Prophets and always will - He never changes His ways.

The "Anointed One" is the Prophet -Founder of a new, independent religion - not a lesser prophet of an established religion.

Christians believe in God's Word - it's God's Word that appears and has new things to say. God's Word re-creates the world. When it does, the divine spirit that had disappeared in the people returns.

Cena, "the eyes of the Bible"? The eye of God is ONE...and was before the Bible existed,. before there were Jews and Christians.







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chayim
chayim: Zanjan=totally right
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chayim
chayim: the real mashiach is not goddess he will be totally holy with gods spirit, more then moishe (moses) but not goddess, god is only 1 above everything, there is no such a thing as god in flesh, this is a terrible break from the first gods commandments, its ful in tanach that god is totally 1 from ever till ever and is not changeable at all, he is not fatherable and not sonable. he is the same totally from ever to ever, and all prophets including mashiach is only human holy spirits from gods spirit, and the last prophet=mashiach will bring the whole world to gods trueness and shine glory kindness peace and nowledge for ever, after suffering so much so long, like it says in the torah that it will be in the last days
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