PART II -Has God permanently rejected Israel? Are Gentiles Chosen people? (Page 2)

bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: why do Christians have brains,they never use them, their answer to everything is " that is the way God wants it" then pat themselves on the back as if they solved the worlds problems.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: give me just one fact from the bible, you can't because none really exist.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Bah, I agree on this, a lot of christians believe what a preacher tells them without "reading for themselves" and if you read all of my blogs and or forum blogs, you would know that I know this. It is sad that people do not take the time to read each page, study it and perceive it correctly. I'll use your example: for instance, JW's believe that when revelation talks about the 144,000 in the tribes, they believe that is christians and JW's....WRONG...they have been TOLD what to believe, the pentacostals are just extreme, but still read the bible, the Methodist are very laid back, it is what it is.....so there ya go. I know this, this is why I DO study and read the bible. And mistranslations happen, but if you say Let's read together and discuss, surely you have a better understanding, but again, sadly, most don't do that. I DO that!!!!!!!
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Cenababy
Cenababy: also note, that most people do not stay in one chapter until they have a good understanding, some want to cherry pick verses, you CANNOT do this, or you will mistranslate, it is like reading the the first page of a book and the back cover, and saying "oh, I know what that means", you cannot do that. In order to get the full meaning you must read the whole chapter!
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: exactly, unfortunately almost every verse in the bible has another one that contradicts it. or tells a totally ridiculous ending Saul for instance falls on his sword, kill himself dead, yet in the new testament we find the same Saul still alive.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: 1st Samuel 31: 4,5,and 6 Saul kills himself yet in Acts 9: 1-4 gives an amazing account of Saul still being alive even though 1056 years elapsed between the book of Samuel and the book of Acts, ( some accounts claim 1090 years)
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Bahcatha: “the reason I do not believe the bible is because I have read it," slowly..."

The Bible is not responsible for your slow reading or slow thinking. This isn’t about linear pace, which you describe as next to flat-lining. The Creative Word is condensed knowledge – that’s depth, layers and layers of meaning. God has rained the water but you have to dive for the pearls.

“All i do know is that religion is the handywork of man, who out of fear of the unknown had to adapt to a supreme creator that it can identify itself with in an attempt to fill [feel ? ]superior”

From your string of breathless posts, you’d be hard-pressed to explain how you created your own feelings of superiority over religious people and the wisdom contained in the Bible.

“most of these so called Christians do not read the Bible”

Of course, your x-ray vision into their homes tells you this, and that should be proof enough. Who needs God when they can have you to judge them? I think an attitude adjustment would change your perspective.

Cena: “In order to get the full meaning you must read the whole chapter!”

If that were true, then how could Bahcatha or anyone, for that matter, fail?

I’d say it takes a heart to understand it; a pure heart to accept it, and even more importantly, divine virtues to trust it.



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Cenababy
Cenababy: Zan, ahhhhh now we are on to something, I’d say it takes a heart to understand it; a pure heart to accept it, and even more importantly, divine virtues to trust it.

ABSOLUTELY, MY WHOLE POINT, excellent and thank you......for if Jesus had not put it in my heart, would I perceive it as so, or would my perspective be straight, NOT AT ALL....this is the difference between believers and non-believer, just as I said, God does choose us to a certain degree. He knows who will accept and who will not, who has a heart to understand it and who doesn't, who will follow him and who will not. So again, not all will be rejoined with him.

Also, see my post on a very interesting article, 3 Parts, Does God choose us or do we Choose God?????

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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Zanjan i don't feel superior over anyone, I do on the other hand have enough common sense to know when I am reading a fairytale , there is no wisdom of any kind in the Bible, and if you are understanding it with your heart then that is the problem because if you were using your brain you would see the flaws, obviously you are just another blind follower.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: when I said i read it slowly I meant i have done research not only by myself but with others because I at one time was a believer, loved God and Jesus even held the priesthood, then i got injured in a car wreck and bled, out my heart stopped i was dead Guess what, no bright light no voice, no nothing have you ever died?, what did you see?, and yes after holding the priesthood i can honestly say that most believers do not read the bible, they feel it is too deep for them to understand, that is why they attend church.
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chayim
chayim: only the torah and tanach don't conflict
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: zanjan being you know the Bible so well, tell me, when Cain Murdered Able then left the Garden of Eden and settled in the land of Nod, " who was the mother of Cain's children?"
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chayim
chayim: they were born with sister twins and they married their sister because there was no other way to marry even that to marry a sister is a sin
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Cenababy
Cenababy: well, well, well
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: i do not know if they conflict, true believers would not see a contradiction even if it did exist, and not to be offensive but if it was written by man it has to have some inconsistency.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: @Bahcatha: "I do on the other hand have enough common sense to know when I am reading a fairytale"

Oh dear, obviously, our common senses are at odds with each other. Tell us where you're getting yours from.

"if you are understanding it with your heart then that is the problem because if you were using your brain you would see the flaws,"

Then this will come as a surprise to you - BOTH heart and brain work work together to form "intellect". The soul is like a bird with two wings, one can't replace the other - they have to beat together in unison so it can fly. By your own admission, one of yours is broken.

"have you ever died?, what did you see"

Yes, I've died...and I saw lots, spoke to the Lord of the Age, Who told me about His life - this was before I ever knew He existed. I saw His family, who also spoke to me, and the Concourse on High - thousands upon thousands of souls, who were angels. I didn't know any of their names. At the time, I wasn't religious and didn't know hardly anything about the Bible, certainly not that.

Either you didn't actually die, Bahcatha, or you threw up a mental block (convenient amnesia) just like you've been doing here. To physically die and see nothing is absolutely impossible.

You can lie to yourself but you can't lie to me. So, don't give me that crap it's all fairy tales......you're not that stupid.

As for your question about the mother of Cain's children. Simple logic, man. She was another human who had fallen short of God's good pleasure. Like seeks like. Why mention her name?

Suffice to say that Cain is the archetype of such shallow and insincere people. Note that even Cain, who withheld himself from God, knew He'd earned God's chastisement. The only thing he cared about was if others were to find out too so, as a mercy, God put him in with his own kind.

Of course, all bets are off when these two kinds meet.






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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: you do not know her name, it is not mentioned, i may not be that stupid , at least i can handle the conversation without side stepping the issue. The land of Nod had no other people, so his own kind did not exist." bye the way what happened to Eve" The others that Cain was talking about were future tense he was later killed by his own offspring for what he had done to Abel. Just an after thought on my behalf.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: 2nd chronicles 14:20 God struck jeroboam and he died------------Iddo grandfather of zechariah zechariah1:1,7---------Iddo the father of Zechariah Ezra 5:1 & 6;14 Iddo the son of Zechariah 1st chronicles27:21 which is the truth?
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Eleazar died without sons 1st chronicles 23:22-----Phineas the son of Eleazar Ex 6:25 and now Eleazar the son of Phineas Ezra 8:33 one of these last two is impossible you cannot be your own son
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: still it claims that Terah begat Nahor Gen 11:26 and Nahor begat Terah Gen 11:24 and Jether died without children 1st chronicles 2:32 still 1st Kings 2;5 states that Amasa was the son of jether
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Gomer the son of Japheth Gen 10:2-3 Gomer the wife of Hosea Hosea 1:3
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: and still in the words of Jesus " if I bear witness of myself my witness is not true " John 5:31 then he turns around and says " I bear witness of myself yet my witness is true ' John 8:14 he also claims that no man has ascended into heave John 3:13 but 2nd Kings 2:11 we find elijah did just that.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: if the bible were the true word of the actual God it would be a bit more accurate and contain no contradictions, blame them on human translators as i know you will if the bible were the intended word of God it would be better protected and not need any translation.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: if all the contradictions were removed from the bible all that would be left would be the front and back covers.
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