PART II -Has God permanently rejected Israel? Are Gentiles Chosen people?

Cenababy
Cenababy: Furthermore, God made it clear that this would be an everlasting covenant and that it would be established with Abraham’s second-born son Isaac, not with his first-born son Ishmael (17:18-21).

Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. God Himself foretold to their mother, Rachel, that two nations would come from them and that the older would serve the younger (Genesis 25:23). The elder brother, Esau, forfeited his birthright by selling it to the younger brother, Jacob, for some bread and lentil stew (25:29-34). So the birthright, along with God’s covenant, went to Jacob, who was renamed Israel by God (32:28).

For centuries, the fact that God’s covenant was not established with Ishmael or with Esau, understandably, has been problematic for Arabs in that region of the world, most of whom embrace Islam. Many of them are descendants of either Ishmael (Abraham’s firstborn) or Esau (Isaac’s firstborn), and they have desired the eradication of Isaac’s and Jacob’s descendants from the land of Israel, up to this day.

Nevertheless, God twice referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only son” (Genesis 22:2,16), which is from a spiritual perspective. Isaac was the son of promise and covenant, while Ishmael was not. Moreover, when Isaac’s son Esau forfeited his birthright, he relinquished possession of the land of Israel by his descendants.
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deuce916
deuce916: I'll say it again - where do you get your information from?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Arabs and Jews are cousins - they came from the same family, all descendants of Abraham. One isn't better than the other - each has their time. We study this history for the spiritual lessons and to track the genealogy of the Prophets.

Who, today, cares which guy got what thousands of years ago? They're all long dead. Look at the gloriously wise Solomon, who's kingdom was the most widespread, wealthy and powerful in the East. He made it that way and held it together like glue. None of his progeny had his leadership brilliance; five years after he died, it fell to attackers and was lost. Imagine your country's glory, safety and survival depending on just one man!

Point: God said Israel was the Promised Land, the Holy Land. He wasn't kidding. It's the heart and honoured seat of all God's religions.

As the most sacred land on earth, history has proven God gives it to whom, amongst Abraham's descendants, He chooses and takes it away from them when they get careless, ungrateful, and no longer hold it as Holy. Here's the lesson: When people throw a gem by the side of the road, God will give it to someone who appreciates it.

That's not an opinion, it's a cold hard fact. The Holy Land will always be a sign of God's Love, Justice and Will. It's not wise to challenge that.

I went to Israel on pilgrimage and the one thing that struck me is no one thought it was wrong to carry a gun on this Holy Ground. I thought they should be kissing that earth every day! Well, that's people for ya - taking something for granted is the sign it has lost value in their eyes.







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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: didn't this God that established the everlasting covenant with his people wind up murdering them in the desert the covenant was in Deuteronomy chapter 7 Verses 6,7 and 8 then in Deuteronomy God murders them chapter 9 verse 28 challenge that, after all it is in the bible.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: not to mention other murders committed by God.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: God doesn't murder - He gives physical life and He takes it away. He also gives spiritual life but it's man who rejects the opportunity.

One can easily slay a multitude's absurd notions or idols simply by words. The pen is mightier than the sword. Given that one can believe, one can also change their mind when temptation calls.

Who launched the divorce first? If I were to boot my golden calf-worshiping husband out of my house, he'd be dead to me, right? Thus heretics are handled. Bye bye..no soup for you!

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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: try reading the bible deut ch 9 vs 28 god slays his own people, unless you don't believe what you claim to believe.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: the truth hurts, and I don't like soup so thanks.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Does it use the word 'murder'? No..you've been watching too much TV.

The wicked are destroyed by their own wickedness, caused by their deliberate distancing from God. Those who live on the dark side are burnt by the light of day.

The Prophet of God radiates a divine light evil cannot stand. No truth hurts those who love Him.



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Cenababy
Cenababy: well amen Zan....and GOD doesn't murder...and people that were killed were killed by humans, he may allow it, as because of the above, but he doesn't do it.

And one would think if he created us and we turn evil, does he not have a right, to destroy?
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chayim
chayim: Zanjan=totally right
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chayim
chayim: the jews are always chosen to god even when they are suffering, and they will always be chosen, they are only suffering to forgive the original sin and own sin, and by the end they will go up totally, chosen to god means that they are in god's holy true way
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Cenababy
Cenababy: deliberate distancing?????? you mean THEY REJECT HIM?????
ummmm and the bible does have the word "murder" in it, and secondly it has killing in it...pleaseeeeee
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Zanjan
Zanjan: When people separate themselves from God, putting their own desires first, they can't receive His bounty, love and mercy that constantly rains down on all. These are the ones who stand with their arm outstretched, holding their cup upside down in the rain.

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Cenababy
Cenababy: well thank GOD, I am not separating myself from him!!!!! I feel for people that do
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: Zanjan the bible says he "slew them in the wilderness", do you know what that means?
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: and no I have not been watching too much television, I have gotten my information straight from the bible, if you insist on defending it you should try reading it as well.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: god cant even defeat humans with iron chariots, so much for his power.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: he had to create light twice because he failed the first time.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: he preaches against sexual immorality, yet he condones it with Abraham, and Jacob. who both had relationships of an abominable nature with their sister and or nieces Abraham and sister Sarah Jacob with his nieces,
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: the reason I do not believe the bible is because I have read it," slowly" People with doctrines of divinity admit they don't get it, still you think you do, what kind of soup are you eating hmmm must contain some kind of mushroom.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: kill a whole town if it contains one non-believer Deut 13:13-19 kill all women who are not virgins on their wedding night Deut:20 - 21 1st Samuel 6:19-20 God slaughtered 50,000 men
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: does the bible not say thou shalt not kill which religious groups have re- translated into thou shalt not murder for their own need for justification and self approval, nevertheless read Jeremiah 50: 21-22 the Bible is packed full of contradictions in fact the Bible is constipated with them. maybe it needs a little soup.
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chayim
chayim: only the torah and tanach is true and clear
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: I admit i know little to nothing when it comes to any religion other than the one i have had shoved down my throat by Christians, who believe for some reason that they are better than those who do not agree with them, even those very Christians do not agree with themselves, Methodist don't agree with Pentecost who don't agree with Mormons who don't agree with Jehovah Witnesses and the lists of various sects of Christianity all calling each other wrong, so who am i to disagree? if they believe themselves to all be wrong then as far as i am concerned they all are. All i do know is that religion is the handywork of man, who out of fear of the unknown had to adapt to a supreme creator that it can identify itself with in an attempt to fill superior, any other understanding goes beyond man's ability to comprehend.
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bahcatha returns
bahcatha returns: most of these so called Christians do not read the Bible, instead they depend on whatever they hear the preacher talk about during a sermon, they follow blindly afraid to question, completely indoctrinated by a set of beliefs and traditions that were passed down to them by mommy and daddy.
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