Where the World's Religions are right now. (Page 2)

Zanjan: "there is the pattern of Islamic Law being required "

What they say is Islamic law isn't at all - it's law by their own people's invention, fully abused to meet one's own ends. Is one corruption better than other corruption? No. Then it doesn't matter what colour the devil is either.


Re: Martyrdom - any kind for the sake of God rates the same. Since I'm not sure which kind I'm better at, the calling is good enough for me.

Terrorists' claims to martyrdom are always false - they think they're speaking to civilians (unbelievers), who don't understand how it works. Ironically, they don't understand either because their spiritual ignorance and blindness is profound.

Check history to see what people were like before they were unjustly savaged.

Saints don't seek destruction or violence; they don't make threats, attacks, justifications or complaints; they're peaceful, helpful, loving people. A real martyr has permitted his enemy to do as they wished to him........takes a saint to endure that.

I don't expect you to understand this, Gerald; suffice to say that genuine, unconditional love is more powerful than anything in the universe.

GeraldTheGnome: There should be no form of any religious law, despite what religion it is. I tell you one thing, if there is a God/Allah then at the moment I have the feeling that God/Allah has abandoned me. There's no proof that the Devil or God/Allah does exist or not exist. I just think all should steer clear of Martyrdom. If someone is about to be killed though and someone puts their life on the line to save that person and does or doesn't but also gets killed in the process then that is a martyr of sorts I guess as well as a hero. There's of course some other exceptions to the rule. Your real martyr bit isn't exactly right. If a God does exist then I doubt a God would rate all martyrdom the same way.

Saints do exist though and did, though some that were made Saints shouldn't have been made that. I understand that the genuine unconditional love is more powerful than anything else but I myself am not getting genuine unconditional love or any love just heartache and heartbreak. That seems all that I'm destined to have despite how much I love another.

GeraldTheGnome: 'Doctrinally it has the tendency towards* more rather than less of a ^ literal interpretation of the Qur'an. It is not hostile to science, but it rejects some of the philosophies of medieval and premodern Islam. As far as its narrative dimension goes, it of course accepts and focuses on the career of the prophet: but it also sees Islamic culture as having betrayed the spirit of true Islam through various innovations and it is because of all this that Islam has fallen into its relatively sorry current state.'

That was from the the book 'The World's Religions, Second Edition' by Ninian (you Ninny keeping that as your first name when you should change it) Smart. Chapter 20, Islam passes through the shadows, section, Dimensions of Revived Islam, page 507.

* I changed the word.
^ I added a few new words.

There should be no version of Revived Islam or that of any kind of Islamic Law. I see no prophet, just that of a messenger of a story that he dreamt up. In fact the whole belief they have about what Islam has become and the so-called betrayal of an imagined 'True Islam' is just a nutty one. I disagree with all of that way of thinking and that way of thinking does bring about murders under the lame excuse of claiming it was done in the name of Allah/God for him. I don't think it is a sorry state.

Zanjan: Gerald: “I have the feeling that God/Allah has abandoned me.”

You, and many others. We all go through that on our spiritual journey. Have you ever pondered the question that if God knows all, how can He be anything but close to us? If He’s always known us, He’s always been with us, right?

Then it makes sense to accept His promise that He’ll always be present and **never** leave us alone, no matter what we do.

We have a saying in my religion: ‘If you feel distant from God, who moved?’ In that respect, Gerald, it seems you’re the one who’s stepped away, though it may not have been intentional. Perhaps it was subtle; maybe you took the water slide……whatever, the religious world must have seemed lame and backwards – in that world, the journey isn’t as fun or interesting as the destination. There’s no instant gratification.

You see, love isn’t just a feeling, it’s an expression; therefore, love must act as a communication. This is a two way street – there has to be a sender and a receiver. You know from your own experience that unrequited love goes nowhere. That’s the human kind of love….it’s fickle and shallow.

Religion teaches divine love – not an instinctive attraction. We’re trying to learn to love with the same kind of love as God. Unconditional love is a higher form of intelligence; it’s infinite, pouring out from a bottomless fountain. Therefore, if a person isn’t willing to receive that love, it just bounces off them onto another person - it never stops flowing.

“I myself am not getting genuine unconditional love or any love just heartache and heartbreak.”

Who told you that love has no heartbreak or pain??? That’s why people shut down…they’re afraid to love again, to take a step further. Unconditional love is an understanding love; while it, too, experiences the pain, its bearer can still smile while weeping, can go on loving without fear.

Zanjan: “If someone is about to be killed though and someone puts their life on the line to save that person and does………. then that is a martyr of sorts I guess as well as a hero.”

A hero, yes. I can’t tell if he’s also a martyr because I’d need more details. A martyr has to permanently give up life as they knew it. A hero (if he lives) eventually goes back to life as normal afterwards.

Love doesn’t necessarily need to know the other person(s), only that they’re in need.

The hero is often the first on the scene; he doesn’t wait for a signal from others but instantly acts, confidently diving into the fray. Undoubtedly, he performs well because he knows what he’s capable of doing and has faith in his skills. Mugging victims are rescued by the best thumpers/enforcers; likewise, the drowning are rescued by the best swimmers, right?

The saint, on the other hand, doesn’t want to be in this position because he doesn’t know how to do what needs to be done. How can he have faith in himself when he knows he's not equipped for the job? Alas, he’s realized he’s the only one around who *can* help. Due to the dire need, he’ll roll up his sleeves and go in anyway, thinking carefully and mindfully while relying on God’s assistance, knowing he’s going to the slaughter.

This reminds me of my favourite lines from a poem about faith, written by Ruhiyyih Khanum:

“To walk where there is no path; to breathe where there is no air; to see where there is no light – this is faith.”

That isn’t about blind faith (a belief), it’s about courage……..to act when nobody else will.

Heroes aren't necessarily saints but saints are always heroes.

GeraldTheGnome: A journey isn't spiritual, journey is getting tagged onto too much now. How can God/Allah exist if there is no proof ? Yet there is no proof, so I can't tell you if God knows all or not knowing that. Did God ever exist ? In what shape or form or gender ? Why is there no proof of God/Allah ? I take blind faith in that God does and that all that I think has happened where my mind keeps focussing on, as well as that of my heart isn't true and that a miracle will bring about the end result that I want. But yet I feel cursed.

I can't step away if there is nothing or no one that I stepped away from. Still can't see how technically it is a journey unless you move physically from place to place. Apparently there is instant gratification by some for mocking ones loss as I found out, if there is a hell and those type of people don't make up for such an evil deed, then they will go to Hell. Deservedly. I AM NOT SHALLOW or Fickle, except about food, Tattoos, piercings and certain types of plastic.

Religion teaches adult fairy tales as well as some good things now and again, still I have seen nothing for or against the existence of God so therefore love can't be factored into what God loved or not. Some though do seem incapable of love, search for it, mistake lust for it, but never find what they look for because they discard the one who loves them the most. No fear, I'd love to feel that concept yet I fear that what I think is already true is true and I don't want it to be true, I am fighting so hard against that. If there is a God/Allah I will pray for I have nothing to lose, I think I have lost it all, I feel like a loser due to the cold and callous acts by the one I love.

Why do you 'Parrot' my stuff ? A true matter is someone who puts their life on the line for good reasons regardless of the details, not some suicide bomber or other coward that wants to force their ways onto others. A real Martyr is not someone that literally lives on, but dies for a good cause.

Sometimes a Saint does know what needs to be done, there are examples, sometimes it's more or less that the Saint feels that he or she is better at helping something or someone out than being the only one that can. There is none of God's assistance, just they run on believing in God. Some that are claimed to be Saints are never heroes.

'Ethically and legally it calls for the revived application of the shari'a. It is strict about such matters as alcohol and the conduct of women: it usually favours the use of the veil. Since it is traditionalist but not quit traditional (for it arises from the very situation is a master of self-conscious commitment, so that there is a great emphasis on being "converted" to true Islam. It has a much more notable evangelical fervor than would be typical of simply traditional Muslims.'

That last paragraph was from the book 'The World's Religions, Second Edition' by Ninian (who has a horrible first name) Smart. Chapter 20, Islam passes through the shadows, section, Dimensions of Revived Islam, page 507.

There's nothing Ethical about it and in many places where they try to or do enforce this kind of belief it is illegal but in other places where it is legal it shouldn't exist and it is far from ethical. There should be no Sharia Law, no kind of religious law for any religion, no veils or banning of booze and some other things, no so called 'monitoring of women's conduct', that's just sexism against females. No one should be "converted" to their so-called True Islam, in fact in any religion it's a bastardized version of the original religion to suit the needs of the male sexist creeps that like full control over women. What is meant by Evangelical Fervour ?

Zanjan: " I feel like a loser due to the cold and callous acts by the one I love."

Then how can you love somebody like that? Are you into self-torture? Life isn't fair.....it wasn't meant to be. That doesn't mean you can't find fair-minded people and be the same yourself. When clouds hang over your head, switch on a light.


Not sure where you're getting your information. Martyrs are immortal, just not physically so. They don't always physically die, but they all must die to themselves. The 'good cause' they die for is a 'principle'. A man without principles is already dead. So, convincing someone a principle is alive and working, gives life to others.

The face veil was first worn 3.5 thousand years ago to identify women of noble birth - no other women could wear it. Made sense. Eventually, all women covered most of their head and neck (not face) to signify they were married. (the art of metallurgy wasn't advanced enough for wedding rings)

Beyond identification, the ancient world had sick periods where people didn't treat each other very well....there was no respect; if you weren't married or an aristocrat, you were scum. Without the headgear, people couldn't tell the difference.

Finally, the sheer face veil was invented. This served to hide identity or facial expression, particularly while mourning, protect from the sun and mosquitoes, and keep dust out of the eyes.

While head coverings have been worn as a symbol of honour for a sacred place, face veils have never had anything to do with religion. Wearing it for the wedding ceremony is a more recent introduction - no practical purpose, just a symbol to show the woman was a virgin, which is nobody's business. Thankfully, that didn't last long; women have rejected this embarrassing statement and now wear it behind their heads, except for the royals.

Women in middle eastern Muslim countries wear a face veil because their men are sick and depraved.Those countries have been notoriously corrupt for a couple hundred years. If I were to visit there, I'd wear one too, you betcha. No woman will get any respect unless the guy thinks she's his mother.

I can only imagine how much worse they'd be if Islam didn't rule there.

Zanjan: Prohibition never works because too many people don't believe booze is bad for you. Many Muslims drink behind closed doors but at least its not out in public where they could do more damage.

I'm fine with the bunch of them being roped off in their own corner from the rest of humanity - think of it as a 'time out' for them to ponder what they've done. They have to come up with their own solutions; eventually, they'll hit on the right ones, even if they don't have TV or satellite service.

Gerald, what you want is for them to be like North Americans, as if that were the ideal anyway. Well, that's not our business, we don't live there.......and I doubt anyone elsewhere would want to either. When they live here, they live by our country's rules so what are you complaining about?

What original religion??? Nobody knows the first one; religion has existed since man grew his third brain.

Evangelical Fervor: zeal to promote the Christian message. It's a motivational speaker's nightmare. The term has a bad connotation because the zeal tends to get out of hand, attracting fanatics.

GeraldTheGnome: How could I ? I don't know, I never should have, pushed away and then pulled back in, kindness, flattery, charm (with lies in it) then cruelty and lies about you and to you then back again repeatedly. I try to be fair to others but to be treated fairly, we should always find people that treat us and others fairly, not think if I can challenge another person's way of thinking then that person will become fair to me, if that kind of thing would work then it already would have worked, whenever someone does the lowest of low things and won't do what's right in regards to that then that person is the worst person alive and never worth even one living person on this planet's time, not even for a second. Yeah I have been into self torture.

I guess there is more than one form of Martyr, in a sense I guess even I am one, I don't know about a Martyr being immortal, that confuses me. I guess the dying within is something I understand right now. I love the rest of your paragraph.

The veil was of the past, whatever reason it held, veils should be a thing of the past, on a wedding day it's understandable.

I don't understand at all the last sentence of your second last message.

I rarely have alcohol and I don't see the need to drink it to enjoy yourself whether you go out clubbing for the night or a pub or whatever, though even at Friday's I have Sambucca and Vodka at times but rarely have more than one drink at those kind of places, I just don't see the point to drink, it just doesn't interest me. People that do drink in public places do often take booze and themselves for granted, control the alcohol and the intake of it, not the other way round. There's always those foreigners of any country that go to another country and take their hatred with them, they are the ones worth complaining about and they are real in any part of the world.

There's no third Brain, odd concept. I wish my Brain had worked differently at times, would've helped me, it will, when one thinks a situation is a case of deja vu then that person must avoid that situation forever, it'll only be pain and grief as the reply because your gut feeling was right all along, though you chose to ignore it because you wanted to prove that your gut feeling was wrong and that you can make a terrible situation that you've been put in better by challenging everyone and everything that threatens you and/or someone else by various good and unintentionally (and unknowingly) bad means.

But Evangelical Fervor in the context of what I read was about Islamists, mainly that of radicals like the Taliban and Al Qaeda, not Christians.

'Based on experience it is* therefore vigorous^: but it is not so much* oriented towards^ the mystical meditation of the Sufis, since Sufi practices are often what has brought Islam (in its eyes) into disrepute.'

That was from 'The World's Religions, Second Edition' by Ninian (I'm too depressed to have a go about the name today) Smart. Chapter 20, Islam passes through the shadows, section Dimensions of revived Islam (which I'm totally against), page 507.

* I changed more than one word or added some words in replacement of one word. ^ I changed the word or the wording.

Zanjan: "There's no third Brain, odd concept"

Our first brain is the archicortex - the reptilian brain, which looks after autosomal organic functions. In other words, it automatically keeps your vital organs and nervous system working without you're having to control that.

Our second brain is wrapped around the outside of that; it's called the Mesocortex, the primitive brain, which belongs to lower mammals. This is the center of psycho-emotional- motor function linked to basic learning and responsive power. This is all hard-wired into the subconscious mind so we can go about mundane tasks and daily activities without thinking about it much.

Our third brain is the Neocortex - the newest brain, which is built all around the whole mass and belongs to the highest thinking mammals, including humans. This looks after language and idea development; it's the interpretive center for creativity.

While all three brains operate independently, they seek to co-ordinate a balance of thought and mind via right and left brain responsibilities. Humans have a much larger neocortext than animals.

It's all quite marvelous that the brain's texture is like a very soft set jelly - you cant cut through it as it would all fall apart. When you see somebody handling a brain, it's because it had to be pickled and frozen to firm it enough to cut through.


I'm sorry you had one of those toxic relationships: at least through it, you learned to recognize the signs of a fatal attraction. Some of us do have to learn the hard way but is often the best and most thorough way.

mirja: in books

Zanjan: Yes, books unread, even by religious people. I remember quoting Jesus to a stout and active Mormon, who was going door-to-door. She asked "Where did He say that?". Seriously, and here I thought it was a famous line. There's only a few thin pages of words Jesus actually said - how hard is that to remember?

How bad is it when people from different, independent religions know your scriptures better than you do? Then again, people can't spell anymore either, not even names they give their kids. Penmanship, over all sucks. Both hubby and I have noticed how people communicate professionally; these days, they drop words out of sentences and expect you to know what they mean!

Sloppy, sloppy!! When people are that slovenly with the little things in their daily life, you can well-imagine how they are with their religion and beliefs.

Nevertheless, religious practice in the world is changing - responsibilities formerly in the realm of clergy are now in the hands of laypeople. Sexism is disappearing as the roles of men and women have changed and are still doing so. Arrogance is also toning down as people have come to recognize other valid religions exist besides their own, and no one has a monopoly on the truth.

Slowly but surely, folks are beginning to understand there's a difference between religion and culture, and these two need to be carefully untangled and separated from each other. Unfortunately, only religious folks can do that because non-religious people don't have the knowledge or interest.

Gradually, more and more of the religious are beginning to shake hands with members of various sects within their religion. Those groups who don't are disappearing because they can't keep their young within the fold. More people in the world actually like peace better than conflict.

RUBY: bump

Zanjan: I'm witnessing another religiously unifying experience in my country right now.

The Quebec provincial government has been notorious for wanting to split from Canada, while demanding Canada support them, like an unwed mother, so nothing else they can come up with should surprise. Yet it did - it issued a 'Charter of Values" the people in the province must follow!!

Firstly, who is the government to tell us what we should value? Secondly, in an act of extreme hypocrisy, it actually told us what we should de-value.

For those who haven't been following this, the Charter banned the wearing of all forms of religious accessories in the workplace. Workers were forbidden to wear anything that identified them as being religious. This meant the Sikhs, Jews, Muslims and some Catholics would automatically be fired from their jobs for failing to comply.............they'd have to leave the province if they wanted employment.

Thankfully, the rest of Canada stood up and said "Come here......we want you!" However, these problems need to be fixed at home and religious people knew that. They banded together, those of all kinds, and told the government that was going too far and why.

Thanks to people having discovered their power to remind the government who it represents, the Quebec government is backing off, saying it's thinking of adjusting that RULE. There's still work to be done though.

Yes, there's always somebody who would try to take us back to the dark ages, who would create unnatural barriers of division. Thanks be to God we live in an enlightened age where we know that when religious freedom disappears, freedom for everybody else will too.

Zanjan: Then again, there are tight pockets where that 'enlightenment' doesn't shine.

Trending News: Islamic republic of Iran

Iranian parliament passed a bill on Sunday that will allow men to marry their adopted daughters. Caretakers or family members could now legally marry girls in their custody as young as 13.

I wonder how they used the Quran to justify that.

GeraldtheGnome: I still can't understand your third Brain theory, even after your explanation, but anyway I'll move on. Yeah I've had a toxic relationship or two, some good ones also, but when I was last on here I was a bit out of my mind instead, so it wasn't about who I was with, because I wasn't with anyone at the time, it was just that I became evil counteracting against someone that was being evil to me. Two wrongs don't make a right, I learnt that, the other person hasn't yet. A great pity, great, great, great. But the only one that can help someone is themselves and if they don't want to help themselves then that is their failure, not mine. You can only help those that want to help themselves in an unselfish way. That I didn't find last year, or this year so far for that matter. But yeah you are right.

I agree with your next paragraph also. I don't like the situation in Quebec, I see it as a form of segregation, as I think that was of other people that want rights to this or that for no real valid reason whatsoever.

I think people should integrate, not just wear some religious thing or things to be different, sure they should go and practice whatever religion they want but assimilate to the country that they are in is what they should do, rather than want special exemptions for things that clash with the majority of the population of the country.

The paragraph you mentioned after that, yeah that's just wrong if that's happening in Iran, but there's always someone that uses religion as a lame excuse to get away with whatever the Hell they want to.

Organizationally, revivalist Islam is very much* indebted to the methods of Christian missionaries, while it also lays stress on Islamic education. Ritually, it is pious in reaffirming the importance of regular public prayer worship. Materially, it is often at the forefront of regular public prayer worship. Materially, it is often at the forefront of the building of new mosques, especially where the Muslims are a minority; so in the lanes of Sri Lanka and in* the backstreets of Liverpool, England, will be found new structures, often subsidized by oil money. Islam is at a vigorous global stage.

That was from Chapter 20, 'Islam Passes through the Shadows, section, Dimensions of Revived Islam, page 507 by Ninian (if you were actually smart you'd change your first name) Smart. The Book is named 'The World's Religions, Second Edition.

* = I added a word. Revivalist Islam is just conning over people with money and various bribes by ways of gifts etc to get a way too radical version of Islam accepted by as many people as possible, a big con job in other words.

Allah (Islam) The one true God. That's of course if a God does exist, there is no proof that one does or doesn't exist and even if one does there's no proof that the God is named Allah.

Chimvat. The bridge (in Islamic doctrine) which leads to Heaven or Hell. A beautiful maid leads the soul across if good. If bad it is found to be razor thin and he slides into hell.

All of that is very interesting, one the sexist male only reference and two, someone made all of that up.

Fundamentalism. A term used loosely: usually of conservative Christians, sometimes used of Islamists, that is rather reducal Muslims; and also of Hindus (like^ the B.J.P. ) It is best confined to Christians of a fairly literal way of thinking^ in regard to the Bible. What does reducal and pious mean ?

Hadith. Certified stories about the life of the Prophet Muhammad and therefore the basis for rules and hints about conduct. Translation, made up stories about him to put him in a good light and ways to control the masses by religious laws that should not exist.

Hajj. Pilgrimage to Mecca, enjoined on all Muslims if he or she reasonably can. One who has been is a Hajii. Translation, Muslims if able bodied are guilt tripped into going to Mecca at least once in their life. What is enjoined and what is the literal translation into English of the Hajj anyway ?

Imam. A prayer leader in a mosque; also used as a title for the twelve great leaders of Shi'a Islam.

Jihad. Holy struggle (in Islam): either a spiritual or military struggle. Something that shouldn't exist in any way, shape or form in other words.

Khailfat. The Caliphate movement, seeking the restoration of the Caliph. Caliphs and Caliphates shouldn't exist, not now, not in the future either.

Nabi. Prophet in islam, including Abraham and Jesus, as well as Muhammad. I have not seen proof, personally, that Abraham and Jesus did or didn't exist, but at least the latter has been proven to exist even if he or someone else made up that he was a Prophet.

Qur'an. (Islam) The sacred revelation or word of God (Allah)*, being eternal and revealed to by the Prophet. Translation, a made up story by a mere mortal man that either self appointed himself as a Prophet or someone else did. Word of God ? Any proof of that or of God existing or not ?

Shari'a. Islamic law, interpreted according to various schools. Any way, shape or form of Islamic Law should not exist now or in the future, it never should have existed either.

Shi'a. The denomination other than Sunni or the traditional form of Islam. The Shi'i or Shi'a believe in a differing tradition of Caliphs and in an occult or hidden Imam who will manifest himself in the future. There is no hidden Imam, there should be no Imams or Caliphs anyway.

Umma. The community in Islam. Is that really what the word Umma means and why do I keep thing Um ah ?

All of that was from the Glossary section, pages 593, 594 and 595 of the book 'The World's Religions, Second Edition' by Ninian (with the Nincompoop of a name) Smart.

* = I added a word in. ^ = I changed a word.

Islam.

Clinton Bennett, Muhammad: An interpretive study, London, 1988.
Clifford Geertz, Islam observed, New Haven, Conn., 1968.
S.Hussain M Jagri, Origins and early development of Shi'a Islam, London 1979.
Richard C. Martin, Islam: A cultural perspective, Edgewood Cliffs, N.J., 1982.
Marmaduke M. Pickthall, The meaning of the glorious Koran, New York, 1930.
Fazlur Rahman, Islam, 2nd edn., Chicago, 1979
Anne-Marie Schimmel, Mystical dimensions of Islam, Chapel Hill, N.C., 1975.
Winfred C. Smith, Islam in modern history, Princeton, 1957.
H. Montgomery Watt, Muhammad: Prophet and Statesman, London, 1974.
David Waynes, An introduction to Islam, Cambridge, 1975.

The above is from the Bibliography section, page 598 of the book 'The World's Religions, Second Edition' by Ninian (The Ninny) Smart.

There's nothing glorious about the Koran, it's just a book that someone with a great imagination created, oh yeah I'm loving this word great, I think I'll just tag it to everyone and everything who deserve it or shouldn't deserve it. Great, great, great, great.....great.

Yes he was a statesman, but if he really was a prophet is very doubtful indeed. Technically, all of those years should be a year less than what they are as well.

Zanjan: Who decides what a Prophet is? Who decides who a real Prophet is?

If Prophets didn't have a purpose, they wouldn't exist. If there were no longer any need for them, they would have become extinct by now.

GeraldtheGnome: I knew you wouldn't let me down, you never do. That's the cool thing about you, I like it and I always find your stuff very interesting too by the way. There's no evidence to see why then, now and in the future that he should be seen as a prophet. So therefore no one should decide that he was, depending on what is meant by prophet I don't think anyone can decide that anyone can be a prophet, since most of the time the term prophet is linked to the belief that an entity exist, even though their is no way to prove that the entity ever existed or not.

Islam and Sufism.

Islam grew out of mystical revelations to its founder, the prophet Muhammad, who lived in Arabia in the seventh century. The word Islam means to surrender and its central goal is to abandon the self and that of^ personal ambition and to embrace the divine will. This goal is taken to its spiritual extreme in the teachings and rituals of the Sufis, the mystical orders within Islam.

Islam means submission to, or having peace with, Allah#. It is the newest of the three monotheistic faiths and it* is the principal religion of Asia and the Middle East^. Its salient feature is the* devotion to the Koran, believed to be the revelation of Allah# to Muhammad, through which a consistent body of doctrine, rituals and laws have emerged. This is supplemented by a rich collection of traditional teachings, the Sunna, collated during and immediately after Muhammad's lifetime.

That is from page 92 of Atlas of the New Age by Gerry (show me the money !) Maguire (Jack ?) Thompson. By the way my account was hacked and deleted, then after that a lot of personal problems happened that also triggered off a severe illness, then my phone and internet was cut off for a few weeks without warning. That was why I was away from this for so long, I've only now had the time to come back to this.
Translation, it contains a book with made up stuff, as well as religious laws, etc that shouldn't exist, peace doesn't exist, calm does, also there is no proof that Muhammad received any revelation or even if God does exist. What does salient and collated mean by the way ?

ghostgeek: Where the World's Religions are right now. Proving by their behaviour that God doesn't exist.

Zanjan: "It is the newest of the three monotheistic faiths "

Correction: No it's not - Islam belongs to the ancient world; it's merely newer than Christianity. The Baha'i Faith is the most recent in the Abramic lineage of religion. It's Prophet-Founder is Baha'u'llah; translated to English, means "Glory of God" . 'Baha'i' means 'Follower of the Glory'.

The theme of this Faith is 'Unity', expressed in the recognition of this reality as:

The Oneness of God, the Oneness of Religion, and the Oneness of Mankind.

GeraldtheGnome: Well I thought there was more than one since Islam, but it was the book's interpretation of things. Not mine.

Zanjan: Of course, some authors aren't up to speed yet.

GeraldtheGnome: I'll be back in a second, I am squabbling with my Facebook friend, at least he's not like the $#!&$7rring fake that contacted me yesterday. That's the second time I've been contacted by I think a female (but I'm not exactly sure), nothing good has ever come from this unknown 'prophet of doom', can't even see the person's face or details !

Zanjan: "Doom" seems to be an ongoing projection by those in old religions....in a way, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

GeraldtheGnome: It is all of those things correct and I hate the fact that it is happening, though with the last thing I was told I just hope the hell it is a lie.