Islam IS a Religion that TEACHES Peace (Page 2)

Nancy
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Toxilla
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freespirit
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: How can Islam claim to be a religion of peace when it was spread by the sword? It has plenty of blood on its hands and still the killing continues.
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kikokikoo
kikokikoo: Ghostgeek , Islam cannot be spread by sword because you cant force anyone to be muslim. the biggest Islamic country of population is Indonesia and there is no single muslim soldier went their !!!!!.
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kikokikoo
kikokikoo: Nancy , you cant build mosque in vatican also , so its related to special places.
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Tamanisha
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freespirit
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Who wants to go live in Saudi Arabia anyway? When you've got money from oil, you can call the shots. Let them have their little plot of desert wilderness. Islam in every other country outside of the Middle East has a very different aura, albeit still steeped in middle eastern traditions and language.

In defense of Muslims in N.America, I can tell you from first hand experience they're far more willing to associate with people of other religions in a peaceful manner than many Christian sects are.

When I organized Multi-faith events, Muslims leaders showed up automatically with a big smile on their face, bearing a reverent demeanor. Whereas, I had to run around after the Christians to invite them and when they got there, it was like.....'I have other things to do so make this quick" kind of face.


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GeraldTheGnome
GeraldTheGnome: It teaches about a different type of religion, not that of war or peace, besides peace doesn't exist, calm does. Christian and Muslim sects are as good as each other when they are good and bad as each other when they are bad, there's no difference there.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Fact: none of the old world religions had a mission to establish peace in the world because mankind was incapable of achieving it then. This is a new world order so, that has changed.

Permanent world peace is inevitable - the mission now is to establish unity so that can happen. People are prepared and ready for it....they've shown this because they're doing it.
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higgins
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larryhemeon
larryhemeon: All you need is love.
Must be practiced in all thought and actions
Humble yourself to all others
Help all that ask
Give if is in your hand
Forgive before asked
The benefit is Peace.

If you do only what is right for yourself and others, and all people practice this, It would
be possible for a one world goverment and world peace. Without, just reserved chaos.
If you followed these things, there would not be a need for laws to be written, ::Love is the
fulfillment of the law
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Rederella
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nightfeather
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kikokikoo
kikokikoo: nightfeather. most of the info on this link are not true !!!!!!!
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forsyth
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Rederella, we all have the right to reject a lie; conversely, we all have a right to stand for the truth. Neither should be performed at the expense of justice. If people behaved as they should, there wouldn't be a need for jails or any courts of law.

If a religious group claims to be God's chosen ones, you can bet that, at the time, they were the best of a bad lot of human beings. We have enough collective history to confirm that was the case.

Nightfeather, the founder of monotheistic religion is God. The Faith of God is a spiritual dynasty where His Prophets belong to the same genetic line - this is a fact, open to all who wish to scrutinize it.

There is no Christian v. Islam - it's the same Faith of God, and God never changes. God doesn't argue with Himself, and none of His Prophets have ever argued against each other - people should take a lesson.

If people actually DID learn the fundamentals (which means basic dynamics )of religion, they'd go on to acquire a more advanced learning. Is there orthodox math? Nope. I'd like to think, in this age, that most people wont stay at an elementary grasp of spirituality.

Muhammad revealed Islam as God, Himself, wanted it to be. The Hadith was not included in the Quran as law; therefore, it has no place in Islam as law. THAT's the truth. God doesn't approve adding to His delivered Revelation - no words are to be taken from it or added to it. God never changes His ways.

By the way, there's so much crap and bald face lies in that article there was no need to continue reading such sloppy thinking.



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GeraldTheGnome
GeraldTheGnome: With peace, it is as simple as this, you can't have something that never existed, peace never did but calm did. Therefore it instead is calm that is inevitable. What the real truth is is what matters, most may have the perceived truth which is when it is in the eye of the beholder but when the full picture is seen then that is when the real truth is seen. Islam is not God, it's a way to show things about God/Allah, so I don't think Muhammad did want that to be. There should be no religious law tied in with any religion and I don't mean just Islam. There is no proof that God/Allah does or doesn't exist, therefore it can't be proven or disproven that God/Allah approved or disapproved of any revelation or that the revelation even existed or that God/Allah never changes his ways if God/Allah even exist.

Actually I did mainly agree with what Renderella came out with so I don't agree with your last sentence though I always have found your words to be interesting and I admire you for that. People don't need to be religious or non religious, it should be their choice and one choice isn't usually worse than the other.

If there were Prophets or if God/Allah had a revelation or never changed his ways is also unknown because mere mortal (what were and are usually) men that no one can prove or disapprove the story of are the ones that came out with the religious stories and what they believed, which if not always, was made up by them and passed off as the truth. Each religion in the world is 'The Truth' yet each one has a different story, sometimes a different entity or different entities as the spiritual figure. Either one or more of them are partly right or 1/2 right or fully right (which I doubt) or they are all 100 % wrong.
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larryhemeon
larryhemeon: Yes, different religious groups will alway come between people and peace, almost as
assuringly that national groups will.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Gerald, truth stands by itself as ONE - it has no name. Whatever ONE THING all religions can agree on, that will be the truth, without a shred of doubt.

This doesn't mean disbelievers will agree on whatever all the religions have agreed on because disbelievers have too many doubts about everything and are thoroughly confused.

Right and wrong in the earthly world is always relative; however, there is only light in the divine world and shadow is merely an absence.

Unity is impossible when one party, no matter who they are, refuses to stand beside the other. The world is a far better, happier, more productive and fair place wherever people are co-operating with each other - it makes sense to do this instead of fighting.



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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Kikokikoo, I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. As you know, the Prophet Muhammad died in 632. Just a few years later Muslim armies had invaded Iraq, Syria and Egypt. In 638 they conquered Jerusalem. They then went on to defeat the Persian Empire. By 715 Muslims controlled an empire that stretched from Spain in the west to India in the east. Constantinople was conquered in 1453 and Vienna besieged in 1529. None of this happened through peaceful proselytizing. It was achieved through the use of the sword, javelin and bow. Other than Spain the countries conquered then are Muslim now. That would suggest that Islam was spread by conquest. Spain is no longer Muslim because Christianity wrested back control and sedulously extirpated Islamic influences. The original intention behind the wave of Muslim attacks may have been the garnering of plunder but the final result was the spread of Islam.

As for your point about Indonesia I will concede that Muslim soldiers did not invade the archipelago. Here, Islam was spread by Muslim traders. It is still a fact though, that in Java, Sumatra and Sulawesi some Muslim states spread the religion by military means. For example, Demak conquered Hindu-Buddhist Majapahit in 1478.

The best that can be said for Islam is that it is no worse than other religions. At times it has been benign compared, say, to Christianity. That no longer seems to be the case.
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Mendez
Mendez: Good post, Ghostgeek. You really nailed it there, buddy.
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GeraldTheGnome
GeraldTheGnome: Nothing can be considered of peace, peace is something that people think existed in the past, that they think can exist now and in the future, it cannot because only calm exist, there has been, isn't and won't be any evidence or moment of peace existing.

On that alone no religion can be a religion of peace, smashing idols etc that those of various religions have done because 'it didn't fit in with the faith that I follow' is far from a showing that the person that did that or that those of the past, present and future that support/will support/do support that way of thinking were or are or will be without some intolerance for others. Religious bullying is the way it is, so too that of various faiths of 'The Promised Land' mythology. One religion or race or other should rule over a certain place even though those of a different religion or race or other were there before them ? That is a stupid thought, yet the thought of some of those of various religions, with some of them it is even in their religious texts and messages.
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